Italy Joins China's New Silk Road Project • Hacker News Board

Re: Italy Joins China's New Silk Road Project

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Post by ssnistfajen » Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

dillondoyle wrote: post #137

I feel it's impossible to participate in a balanced discussion with the C word comes up on hacker news and elsewhere online (China). I was going to reply to a couple comments but retrained myself because I feel like there's no point arguing with a shill or what feels like organized, state funded astro turfing. I do NOT advocate the US getting into this game tit/tat through manipulating/commenting on US based media bu…

I agree with your first sentence, but that's about it. What I see on HN and Reddit when "C word" comes up is endless bashing (some of which are perfectly legitimate criticism btw) and ignorance. Anyone who dares ask for evidence, proof, or even just basic objecticity commonly observed in discussions of other topics, are met with personal attacks and shill accusations. Attempts at pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards are almost always silenced by yelling "this is whataboutism" ad nauseam.

Re: Italy Joins China's New Silk Road Project

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Post by bobthepanda » Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 2:30 AM UTC

oblio wrote: post #132

bobthepanda wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More state backing is great when starting out on the path because it’s relatively straightforward; provide education, infrastructure and stability and your country will take care of itself. You can even goose the figures a bit by boosting a select few companies to be your champions. The problem is that as you get richer and move up the value chain, you start requiring industry that is more creative, or entirely new c…

Samsung is a world leader in display tech, memory tech and probably many other things. Slow and sluggish, you say? :)

Before that we had Sony, Sharp, and Toshiba at the top of the world. You can lose your competitive advantage very quickly, and then all of a sudden you'll either get launched into a lost decade or two (Japan) or beg the IMF for money and have to sell off the crown jewels (Korea, 1998).

Re: Italy Joins China's New Silk Road Project

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Post by devoply » Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 8:01 AM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #157

abc-xyz wrote: post #134

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If my country was engaged in sending Muslims to concentration camps, medical genocide (organ harvesting), and all sorts of human rights abuses, then I would very much appreciate if there was a collective effort to get my country to politically reform. Why wouldn't you appreciate that?

If it was engaged in slavery, and then segregation (up to the 60s), had the biggest incarceration rates in the world (of hugely disproportionally black population), had torture sites off limits to the law, send drones to kill people without trial and without official act of war to the other country, was the only western country to still have the death penalty, and at great rates, and even for 15 year olds, plus routi…

yup. putting pressure on the us to reform these practices would be a positive.

Re: Italy Joins China's New Silk Road Project

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Post by abc-xyz » Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 4:47 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #157

abc-xyz wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If my country was engaged in sending Muslims to concentration camps, medical genocide (organ harvesting), and all sorts of human rights abuses, then I would very much appreciate if there was a collective effort to get my country to politically reform. Why wouldn't you appreciate that?

If it was engaged in slavery, and then segregation (up to the 60s), had the biggest incarceration rates in the world (of hugely disproportionally black population), had torture sites off limits to the law, send drones to kill people without trial and without official act of war to the other country, was the only western country to still have the death penalty, and at great rates, and even for 15 year olds, plus routi…

Yes, I would welcome a collective foreign effort with open arms. I also think there are other and better ways to save the Chinese people (and the rest of the world from their government) besides invading the country.