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Re: Men wanted for hazardous journey: AdGrok (YC S10) is hiring.

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Post by Semiapies »

reason wrote: post #110
Semiapies wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you're saying that the fact they rephrased the headline means that they aren't fit? Or is it that they might be more reasonable than defenders of the headline engaging in silly chest-pounding about "sensitive" people?

Not much to say really; I've got work to get to. I'm sure there are plenty of others in this thread who are more than willing to discuss the supposed intentions behind this implicitly sexist job posting that has seemed to generate so much nonsensical noise to where the posters themselves changed it, giving the children the pacifier they so desperately wanted. Edit: children, and men, and women.

You're too busy to say anything, so instead 70 words to try to tout your supposed superiority over the people you disagree with.

Re: Men wanted for hazardous journey: AdGrok (YC S10) is hiring.

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Post by rfrey »

ErrantX wrote: post #95
JabavuAdams wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ascribing an intent to someone who clearly doesn't mean it is just not cricket :) Sure, but it betrays a certain cluelessness. I.e. It's not so much that this is an outrageous headline -- ZOMG off with their heads, public apology, blah blah. It's more a case of -- if they're clueless about this, then what else are they clueless about -- especially from the POV of a prospective female employee. E.g. I know of a swee…

BUT ... it's evidence that she may have other ideas that I may not agree with -- especially if she's my boss. The cluelessness there is simply a lack of understanding that modern society is not the same as older society. You could, of course, take offence at what she said. But that is disingenuous. However; if she treats you differently, directs it at you, makes it a bad thing - that is a problem to address. Sadly; b…

There is never anything wrong in a word. Only in the intent.

I have no horse in this race at all. But to suggest (as the above quote suggests to me - I hope I'm misreading!) that words have no power, or choice of words doesn't matter, is naive in the extreme.

Re: Men wanted for hazardous journey: AdGrok (YC S10) is hiring.

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Post by JabavuAdams »

ErrantX wrote: post #104
JabavuAdams wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: Let me point out that I've entered what my wife calls "grad student mode". I'm continuing to argue this point out of proportion to how much it concerns me because I see what I believe is a flaw in your argument that you are failing to acknowledge or apparently unaware of. I want to debug your argument. Okay, the crux here is this term "innocent phrase". By describing it as such, you're presupposing that w…

Yes, that is a reasonable point. No, it doesn't count in this instance. Is there a systematic problem? The answer to that question is complex; and the solution is not here. In fact; it is persisting the problem. You actually see the solution in one of your other posts. The woman who uses the phrase "nigger brown". Such things are simply not an issue for this generation. It will not take many generations before people…

> I apologise for going on about it ...

Not at all. Thank you for the discussion. I hope I haven't bent your ear too much, but I think it was productive.

Re: Men wanted for hazardous journey: AdGrok (YC S10) is hiring.

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Post by robryan »

Fjslfj wrote: post #58

I don't understand why they feel morally superior to people creating games. Have we devolved to the point where search engine marketing is considered so prestigious an occupation that its practitioners feel they are able to make jokes about others?

One big difference is a direct revenue model, making something that creates direct value for clients is vastly different to making something cool and trying to figure out a revenue model later. Not to say that either type can both be a success and failure, just in this case it's much easier to monetize the customers you have.

Re: Men wanted for hazardous journey: AdGrok (YC S10) is hiring.

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Post by limedaring »

spitfire wrote: post #11
limedaring wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't think it's obvious, if you just look at the headline. Is the integrity of the quote more important than looking non-biased against women programmers?

Yes, the integrity of the quote is more important than alienating a very few people who don't know history. Aside: I wouldn't want to work with someone who got wound up about something like this.

The men who posted the ad would have laughed their socks off if a woman responded. Sure, it's immensely inspiring, but I wouldn't have been allowed to go on that expedition back in the day and it kind of makes me feel like I wouldn't be allowed to work at AdGrok as well, or at least looked down upon ("A woman programmer? Psh! Get back to the kitchen.")

Re: Men wanted for hazardous journey: AdGrok (YC S10) is hiring.

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Post by ErrantX »

rfrey wrote: post #113
ErrantX wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BUT ... it's evidence that she may have other ideas that I may not agree with -- especially if she's my boss. The cluelessness there is simply a lack of understanding that modern society is not the same as older society. You could, of course, take offence at what she said. But that is disingenuous. However; if she treats you differently, directs it at you, makes it a bad thing - that is a problem to address. Sadly; b…

There is never anything wrong in a word. Only in the intent. I have no horse in this race at all. But to suggest (as the above quote suggests to me - I hope I'm misreading!) that words have no power, or choice of words doesn't matter, is naive in the extreme.

Oh yes, words have power. But they are not inherently right or wrong.

It is how they are used that makes them.

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