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Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by Boxxed »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #210
Boxxed wrote: post #176

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I feel like this line of thinking is very analogous to the whole microservice craze -- you shouldn't need to introduce a network boundary to write well architected software. There's no reason you can't have a clear separation of concerns in a server side rendered application.

What does that actually mean, though? And "there's no reason you can't, if you wanted" is a far cry from "sure, the work is already done." For example, something as simple as having a server-side rendered forum built with your favorite back-end language and now you want to build a client for it (web, iOS, Android). That basically means massive duplication as you create a json interface boundary. Yeah, you were alread…

It sounds like you're assuming the SSR is not well architected and then using that assumption to prove your point. It's pretty easy to have an API layer interal to your application -- have your view templates consume that API. No reason you have to have your view templates across the network, written in another language.

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Post by timw4mail »

reilly3000 wrote: post #63

I really have no horse in this race, but I would like to know what the argument FOR React+Redux+GraphQL is for developing apps in 2019. Is it that we need to offer offline clients to meet user expectations? Better raw performance on the front end? Cheaper server costs or easier to deploy serverlessly? For the progressive enhancement of your resume?

From my perspective as a developer who's had to use React, it seems more like following trends than solving a real problem.

In my case, I've had to deal with a form-heavy application, where React adds more boilerplate to form handling than just using the DOM.

I've really never bought the performance thing about a javascript-heavy SPA. I'd much rather see progressively-loaded html content than watch a loading indicator. I'd really rather have slightly longer page loads on average than deal with the long wait, and then hurry up and wait of the typical Single-Page App.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by chasd00 »

james_s_tayler wrote: post #283
rohan404 wrote: post #188

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It's true that there isn't an official way to use Devise over REST, but then again Devise isn't even the official way to manage auth in Rails apps - it just happens to be the de facto one due to community support. That being said, by using something like devise_token_auth/simple_token_authentication and devise-two-factor you can have a token based auth system with MFA ready in a matter of minutes. Personally, I don't…

ASPNET Identity and Spring Security to name a few.

I'd just like to say Spring Security has come a LONG way. It use to be a maze of madness and frustration but now is fairly straightforward.

Also, Spring Boot saved that whole organization from irrelevance. It took a huge amount of effort to just get hello world on the screen prior to Spring Boot.

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Post by revskill »

digitaltrees wrote: post #266
revskill wrote: post #68

Here's how i replace Rails with the "modern stack": - Compile Graphql schema into Typescript typings + Fragments for "Active Record" - React Hooks as controllers action. - React Suspense for HTML rendering. - Apollo for graphql caching - ExpressJS for middlewares. - @reach/router for routing. - @loadable/component for code splitting. - Serverless for API. I missed Rails, too. But i found that the "modern stack" is no…

Let’s talk in 6 months as those packages evolve and diverge. While rails core team does the work of maintaining all the packages as a consistent whole.

Sure. This is both sides of a coin. Or we get freedom and take care for it with responsibility, or we're stuck inside a box.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by revskill »

tjpnz wrote: post #228
revskill wrote: post #68

Here's how i replace Rails with the "modern stack": - Compile Graphql schema into Typescript typings + Fragments for "Active Record" - React Hooks as controllers action. - React Suspense for HTML rendering. - Apollo for graphql caching - ExpressJS for middlewares. - @reach/router for routing. - @loadable/component for code splitting. - Serverless for API. I missed Rails, too. But i found that the "modern stack" is no…

This strikes me as being more archaic than modern.

Except the stack is deployed as a lambda function.

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Post by tim333 »

peteforde wrote: post #281
tomc1985 wrote: post #261

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I think it's that, and the general accessibility of Javascript. Before this JS craze you saw the same shit with PHP and Visual Basic, though for the most part people weren't trying to build and rebuild the same platforms nearly as much as now

I know that it's 2008 calling, but seriously: when did Heroku, Github and the bundler/gem ecosystem stop qualifying as accessible? Deploying an MVP Rails app with sophisticated functionality is so effective that it still qualifies as erotic. For me, the most compelling example of progress coming from the JS camp was my shallow investigation of the Expo platform for React Native. It has some genuinely sexy developer e…

I've been trying to learn some Rails and it's not that simple. People tend to say just read Hartl which is 804 pages according to Amazon. It may seem simple once you are familiar with a few dozen gems, action this, active that but there are a lot of bits to learn about.

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Post by pixelrevision »

0xADEADBEE wrote: post #28
BillFranklin wrote: post #6

> if the modern equivalent of Rails already exists, please let me know! You're in luck. Rails 5.2.3 was released 20 hours ago. More seriously, I feel rails is still excellent and I'm happy to work with it every day. I'd be interested to hear more about what makes rails not modern? I find it a very productive framework. EDIT: If you're talking about missing a JS equivalent of rails, do you know about Loopback? https:/…

I know this is the opposite of what you asked but I find Rails to be keeping pace with modernity much better than its conemporaries! Django seem to have given up on integrating websockets (ActionCable has been in Rails for literally years now), nor is there trivial integration for JS assets/asset pipeline functionality. I don't write much of either anymore, but I'd still reach for Rails the instant I need to get some…

Interesting. I always found Django so much more productive than rails due to the auto admin panel being out of the box. If I’m starting something new than its nice to have a place for non devs to enter data immediately.

Both do quite a bit better for cleanliness and setup time than any of the other platforms I’ve used for web development.

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Post by ericb »

jmkni wrote: post #356
ericb wrote: post #121

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Vue? Yarn? Angular 2?

Angular 2 has been around since 2015.

According to wikipedia, the final version of Angular 2 was released on September 14, 2016. It required a complete rewrite and was not backward compatible with Angular 1. The current release of Angular seems to be version 7.
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