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I Now Have a Cardiologist

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Re: I Now Have a Cardiologist

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post #6

from the article: "Did my Apple Watch save my life? I think in my case, that’s a bit of an overstatement." Thanks to an Apple Watch w/ ECG, I now have a cardiologist, too. My A-fib burden is only 4% and at my age without diabetes my increased stroke risk is minimal, so my Dr. basically asked why I was bothering to wear this thing if it was just worrying me unnecessarily. I mostly agree. It is nice to finally know wha…

So you’re cardiologist is saying it’s not a big deal to be in afib (unless you’re on blood thinners)? I don’t understand how that could be a reasonable thought.

Re: I Now Have a Cardiologist

#112

If you put a popular device, with a medical detection tool into the wider population, it would be logical that the device would pick up on patients who would other not notice the symptoms (at least initially, if any). So then the question becomes what other daily device(s) could be made to do automatic health checks of certain specific indicators, which would give an early indication to the possible condition, thus i…

This will lead to a massive increase in false positives, unnecessary treatment and worry; par for the course for precautionary screening and preventive medicine generally. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/upshot/preventive-health-... > Preventive Care Saves Money? Sorry, It’s Too Good to Be True > The idea that spending more on preventive care will reduce overall health care spending is widely believed and often pr…

Pretty much the entirety of the article you're selectively quoting is praising preventative care.

The byline is "Contrary to conventional wisdom, it tends to cost money, but it improves quality of life at a very reasonable price."

and the article closes with this

But money doesn’t have to be saved to make something worthwhile. Prevention improves outcomes. It makes people healthier. It improves quality of life. It often does so for a very reasonable price.

There are many good arguments for increasing our focus on prevention. Almost all have to do with improving quality, though, not reducing spending. We would do well to admit that and move forward.

Sometimes good things cost money.

Re: I Now Have a Cardiologist

#113

If you put a popular device, with a medical detection tool into the wider population, it would be logical that the device would pick up on patients who would other not notice the symptoms (at least initially, if any). So then the question becomes what other daily device(s) could be made to do automatic health checks of certain specific indicators, which would give an early indication to the possible condition, thus i…

This will lead to a massive increase in false positives, unnecessary treatment and worry; par for the course for precautionary screening and preventive medicine generally. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/upshot/preventive-health-... > Preventive Care Saves Money? Sorry, It’s Too Good to Be True > The idea that spending more on preventive care will reduce overall health care spending is widely believed and often pr…

It's a trolley problem but I believe we should always choose information over ignorance even if it results in greater harm.

Re: I Now Have a Cardiologist

#114
post #77

I have had a couple instances of ventricular fibrillation. I have an implant which brings me back to life when that happens; I would be dead without it. However, I do go unconscious for a few seconds until I get shocked back to life. Although my case is infrequent enough that it is not thought of as a risk by the medical community, for peace of mind what I would really like to have is a link between a watch of some s…

Perhaps you shouldn’t be driving? Sounds really dangerous to me...

Objectively speaking it's infrequent enough (only 3 times in my life so far) that it's statistically noise compared to the probability of an accident due to other reasons, including other drivers. There's actually a medical paper that calculates these probabilities, and the gist of it is that I should be okay to drive a small vehicle point-to-point for personal reasons but not be a professional driver that drives a large vehicle multiple hours per day every day.

I'm also thought to be under control via medications now, and also am scheduled for an ablation procedure which may cure it altogether. The bad news about medications, and that procedure, is that it's hard to know whether it cured it, considering how infrequently they happen. I could go another 10 years without incident and then it happens again -- or I could go my entire life and it never happens -- nobody knows. So the best I can do at the moment is to just carry on with life.

That said though, I would still feel emotionally safer if the car drove itself, or at least could detect such things. Not only for myself, but for the sake of those people who have incurable frequent instances of incapacitation -- they actually are not advised to never drive -- as well as the entire rest of the population that is over-stressed and under-slept.

Also, I feel what has happened to me could happen to anyone. Doctors haven't been able to diagnose any particular cause, but I have been under extreme work stress over the years, and the connection between that and heart failure among other things is really not well understood. Extreme electrolyte loss is another way any otherwise normal person could go into ventricular fibrillation as well, and that's not something everyone is educated about.

I bike most of the time, and drive only occasionally, by the way. If you look at that in isolation, yes, I'm more likely to die being incapacitated on a bike than in a car. But if you look at the problem holistically, biking is more likely to improve my cardiac condition over time via much needed exercise, as well as the reduction in stress by doing stuff I enjoy doing. For all we know, living a life of abstaining from everything could be far more likely to pile on stress that could potentially make things worse.

Re: I Now Have a Cardiologist

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the car could also self-drive itself to a hospital I think you're onto a good idea, except for the above quote. It would be a much better idea to have the car automatically pull over to the shoulder, stop, engage the flashers, and call 911. Paramedics can keep you alive en route to the hospital with drugs, cardioversion, and CPR. Your car cannot.

they could meet half way maybe.

Just so people understand, in the present day, what you're proposing involves a $5M mission package with $200M worth of airborne combat control systems and related ground support. Oh, and then the "bring dead guy back to life" bit once they get the intercept.

The idea that we're going to start vectoring ambulances to intercept self-driving cars carrying heart attack victims is pretty crazy awesome.

Re: I Now Have a Cardiologist

#116
post #6

from the article: "Did my Apple Watch save my life? I think in my case, that’s a bit of an overstatement." Thanks to an Apple Watch w/ ECG, I now have a cardiologist, too. My A-fib burden is only 4% and at my age without diabetes my increased stroke risk is minimal, so my Dr. basically asked why I was bothering to wear this thing if it was just worrying me unnecessarily. I mostly agree. It is nice to finally know wha…

So you’re cardiologist is saying it’s not a big deal to be in afib (unless you’re on blood thinners)? I don’t understand how that could be a reasonable thought.

And that's exactly why anyone who isn't a cardiologist shouldn't be making judgements about the state if your heart.

The heart is pretty complex for being 'just a pump'. Things can and do go wrong in ~100% of the population. Whether or not that's a problem that should be monitored, medicated or operated on, depends on many factors. It isn't as clearcut as saying "you've got afib and we need to fix that".

Re: I Now Have a Cardiologist

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they could meet half way maybe.

Just so people understand, in the present day, what you're proposing involves a $5M mission package with $200M worth of airborne combat control systems and related ground support. Oh, and then the "bring dead guy back to life" bit once they get the intercept. The idea that we're going to start vectoring ambulances to intercept self-driving cars carrying heart attack victims is pretty crazy awesome.

Theres no reason with C2C communication coming online that cars will simply move out of the way if you put the car into emergency mode. Obviously we would build anti-abuse features into the system.

Pushed out further, I don't mind if some rich guy wants me to pull over to get out of his way for a 50 dollar micropayment.

Re: I Now Have a Cardiologist

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will lead to a massive increase in false positives, unnecessary treatment and worry; par for the course for precautionary screening and preventive medicine generally. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/upshot/preventive-health-... > Preventive Care Saves Money? Sorry, It’s Too Good to Be True > The idea that spending more on preventive care will reduce overall health care spending is widely believed and often pr…

Pretty much the entirety of the article you're selectively quoting is praising preventative care. The byline is "Contrary to conventional wisdom, it tends to cost money, but it improves quality of life at a very reasonable price." and the article closes with this But money doesn’t have to be saved to make something worthwhile. Prevention improves outcomes. It makes people healthier. It improves quality of life. It of…

I’m not arguing over affect, I’m arguing over truth claims. The article leads with the facts and then argues that despite being a poor use of money we should still pay for preventive medicine for the warm fuzzy feelings it gives us. Pay attention to the facts, not the argument that we should ignore the facts for the warm fuzzy feelings.

If we’re going to spend huge amounts of money we should spend it better than on preventive care, on areas where the money can do more good. That money could be spent on foreign aid, on saving lives, not improving them, on earned income tax credit, to encourage people to get back into work or gain more work experience, on basic research or subsidy to get us to carbon neutral faster.

And the article completely fails to note the false positives, the unnecessary tests and the worry caused by preventive screening.

Money spent on preventive medicine isn’t wasted but it could certainly be better spent.

> In 2009, as part of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation’s Synthesis Project, Sarah Goodell, Joshua Cohen and Peter Neumann exhaustively explored the evidence. They examined more than 500 peer-reviewed studies that looked at primary (stopping something from happening in the first place) or secondary (stopping something from getting worse) prevention. Of all the interventions they looked at, only two were truly cost-saving: childhood immunizations (a no-brainer) and the counseling of adults on the use of low-dose aspirin. An additional 15 preventive services were cost-effective, meaning that they cost less than $50,000 to $100,000 per quality adjusted life-year gained.

Re: I Now Have a Cardiologist

#119
post #8

> resting heart rate being in the 113-120 bpm That seems insanely high

It's not "insanely" high. And blanket statements like this can cause undue alarm.

If you're worried about an elevated resting heart rate, go get an ECG done. Don't let random people on the internet talk you into health anxiety.

Re: I Now Have a Cardiologist

#120
post #64
post #8

> resting heart rate being in the 113-120 bpm That seems insanely high

Yeah, my dad died of a heart attack at a relatively young age, and I've been paranoid about my cardiovascular health ever since. Half an hour of that HR at rest and I'd be off to the ER.

What you describe sounds like health anxiety. Please consider seeking help for that.
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