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What did Google+ get right?

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The website felt slow and bloated performance-wise, despite the design being simple. YouTube feels like that now too.

And Google Cloud console. And Gsuite Admin. And Gmail. Well, maybe the latter isn't simple anymore

All that botnet takes time to execute.

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> The design was so much nicer, ux so much smoother than everything else.

I disagree, It felt unpolished and raw and did not have any distinct style or consistency. You can hate facebook but they managed to cramp a lot of functionality in a pretty clean looking design.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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The formality around making a discrete group of "Circles" was the problem. If they just let you have multiple feeds and you can add and remove people from those feeds it would have been fine. In those circumstances, the issue isn't you sitting there categorizing how close you are with each of your friends. You're just deciding who you want to share things with, it's not unlike a group chat you might have with a bunch…

Couldn’t you have the same person in multiple circles?

Yes.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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What Google had to do was to blindly copy Fakebook and use its search engine to market the hell out of it while there was still hope. In other words be ruthless. But that trait comes easier to MarkZ than the Google trio. If you couldn’t, at least don’t use math guys to build a product for humans. You see Circles and collections and a plus one button may sound cute to HN audience but are far too complex ideas for an average user. The avg dude needs a textbox and a feed. Any value adding concept scrambles brains.

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Some of this could also be "What did LiveJournal (and therefore also its clones) get right?" Oddly LiveJournal seems to always get left out of these discussions, even though it had more features than many later sites (Facebook, Twitter, etc). There's good reason to avoid LiveJournal itself these days, but the clone sites still live (e.g. Dreamwidth).

Wasn't LJ just a blogging platform? I used it in early 2000 and was blown away by what MySpace offered compared to LJ.

If by blogging platform, you mean a place where people can post content, comments on each other's content, have friends lists, send messages, have public pr private posts, and have community pages with shared content authoring, then yes. But then, so is Facebook.

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Pretty sure some googlers can chime in or someone will dig a post from that time but I seem to recall the inability for Google to crawl facebook private profiles, where juicy profiling bits live, was one of the incentives for google to get into the game. And the fact that someone at Google freaked out over the sn revolution but don't quote me on that. I am pretty sure I read the demise of google reader was because it…

Yep, I recall that the FB like buttons proliferating the web was perceived as a huge threat (and drove the +1 buttons.) > Google had wave, blogger, orkut and other things. It's not like they didn't test different things or try to emulate others. They just failed. Wave failed, but was a fantastic experiment, and the learnings went into Google Docs/Sheets for collaborative editing. Blogger and Orkut didn't fail. They w…

According to someone that worked on Blogger, a decade ago one of the top three or five sites in all of Greece was this blog, Troktiko, which tragically went into hibernation when the cofounder, a journalist, was murdered.

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Buzz had some horrible privacy problems and was too smart for its own good if I remember correctly.

The Buzz privacy problem were almost exclusively at launch, the way they seeded the network. Not sure what "too smart for its own good" means exactly. It was a pretty vanilla feed, with no fancy features.

> Not sure what "too smart for its own good" means exactly. It was a pretty vanilla feed, with no fancy features.

It was a reference to how they seeded the network by inferring contacts.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure some googlers can chime in or someone will dig a post from that time but I seem to recall the inability for Google to crawl facebook private profiles, where juicy profiling bits live, was one of the incentives for google to get into the game. And the fact that someone at Google freaked out over the sn revolution but don't quote me on that. I am pretty sure I read the demise of google reader was because it…

Yep, I recall that the FB like buttons proliferating the web was perceived as a huge threat (and drove the +1 buttons.) > Google had wave, blogger, orkut and other things. It's not like they didn't test different things or try to emulate others. They just failed. Wave failed, but was a fantastic experiment, and the learnings went into Google Docs/Sheets for collaborative editing. Blogger and Orkut didn't fail. They w…

IMO the more entertaining learnings from Wave went into Hangouts Chat, because the embedding Docs/Sheets and other rich content into your threaded conversations just gives me Wave flashbacks every time I see a new one.

I liked Wave, even if nobody knew what the actual use cases for it were.

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I was an early proponent of G+ when it first opened. I loved the idea of Circles and their implementation of Groups was really good. I didn't love the UI, which I found bland, but the functionality was well thought out. For a while I used it as my primary social media site but Facebook was entrenched even back then and nobody I knew used G+. I don't really understand Google's strategy. They got rich by providing usef…

> If I was Google I would be providing ... a loose social network that encouraged links to other sites (perhaps similar to HN on a larger scale) that would be easy for third-parties to integrate. They did. It was called OpenSocial, which originally released in late 2007, and was implemented by MySpace and others to compete against the Facebook platform (also released in 2007). I remember when I first looked at its co…

OpenSocial was great in theory, but in practice it was awful. At launch, it had a fraction of the features of the FB platform, was much more complicated to build for, and its behavior was not actually consistent across all the social networks that implemented it. I joined a startup that was building for both FB and OpenSocial and as soon as we had a successful Facebook game we ditched all thirty-something OpenSocial widgets.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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Instead of a seperate UI, Google+ should have been integrated into Gmail. Then more people would naturally use it everyday. The integration would not center around a separate UI but features would be enhanced to gradually bring circles and the like into the core email experience. AOL managed to expand in this way with email and chat as core features.
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