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No call for simulators in new Boeing 737 Max training proposals

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Re: No call for simulators in new Boeing 737 Max training proposals

#41
Boeing fails to take into account that the IQ of a typical third world pilot is lower than IQ of a Chinese or a white American pilot. Thus the systems and training that in the past would have been OK for a US airline need to be dumbed down for an African or an South East Asian pilot. This is a new reality given the Boeing's market shift.

Re: No call for simulators in new Boeing 737 Max training proposals

#42

Is there anyone who would willingly get on one of these planes, regardless of software patches and extra training, when we know they have a compromised airframe, whose design prioritized cost over safety?

Not me.

Re: No call for simulators in new Boeing 737 Max training proposals

#43

you won't be seeing me on one of them until it gets a new type rating

I imagine it would still be more dangerous to drive to the airport than it would be to fly on a 737 Max.

Note sure about that. Only around 350 737 Max 8's had been delivered by the time of the second crash.

How many models of car have a 1 in 175 total loss rate?

Re: No call for simulators in new Boeing 737 Max training proposals

#44
Boeing fails to take into account that the IQ of a typical third world pilot is lower than IQ of a Chinese or a white American pilot. Thus the systems and training that in the past would have been OK for a US airline need to be dumbed down for an African or an South East Asian pilot. This is a new reality given the Boeing's market shift.

Re: No call for simulators in new Boeing 737 Max training proposals

#45
Boeing fails to take into account that the IQ of a typical third world pilot is lower than IQ of a Chinese or a white American pilot. Thus the systems and training that in the past would have been OK for a US airline need to be dumbed down for an African or an South East Asian pilot. This is a new reality given the Boeing's market shift.

Re: No call for simulators in new Boeing 737 Max training proposals

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it has failed, twice. It’s not as though shoving it back out the door and crossing fingers isn’t potentially going to lead to more tragedy and an even worse image, plus the potential for ruinous lawsuits. Boeing is in a terrible position they created and the only way out will hurt them, but less than staying the course.

Once. Do you have a copy of the running report for the Ethiopian crash? We don't know yet.

No, I’m working on the same assumptions as every aeronautical regulatory body on Earth though.

Re: No call for simulators in new Boeing 737 Max training proposals

#47
Boéing fails to take into account that the IQ of a typical third world pilot is lowér than IQ of a Chinese or a white American pilot. Thus the systems and training that in the past would have beén OK for a US airline need to be dumbéd down for an African or an South East Asian pilot. This is a new reality given the Boeing's market shift.

Re: No call for simulators in new Boeing 737 Max training proposals

#48
post #3

“It was the safest way to get around the regulations.” Manifestly not. (And why are you trying to "get around the regulations" anyway? Shouldn't you be complying with the regulations, not getting around them?)

Everything in regulated markets is made to get slightly around the regulations. If it wasn’t you either couldn’t make it at all, wouldn’t have an advantage over your competitors, it wouldn’t perform as needed.

Regulations are a double edged sword. Now... a cheap extra sensor and better choices would have saved lives here, but the reason they made the choices they did was because of the regulations placed on them.

To your wording, complying with a regulation doesn’t mean landing dead in the middle of a range, but teetering on the ragged edge if needed.

Re: No call for simulators in new Boeing 737 Max training proposals

#49
post #3

“It was the safest way to get around the regulations.” Manifestly not. (And why are you trying to "get around the regulations" anyway? Shouldn't you be complying with the regulations, not getting around them?)

Everything in regulated markets is made to get slightly around the regulations. If it wasn’t you either couldn’t make it at all, wouldn’t have an advantage over your competitors, it wouldn’t perform as needed. Regulations are a double edged sword. Now... a cheap extra sensor and better choices would have saved lives here, but the reason they made the choices they did was because of the regulations placed on them. To…

I'd say killing 346 people in six months is well beyond the ragged edge.

Re: No call for simulators in new Boeing 737 Max training proposals

#50
post #21

Licensed nuclear plant control room operators go through 40 hours of training every 6 week. Generally 5 weeks of operations rotation then 1 week of training, all year, every year. Twenty hours of classroom and 20 hours of simulator training, the week includs a written and simulator exam. Failing either and the operator is taken off shift until his remediation training is complete and exams passed. If pilots rotated i…

Pilots are rotated into training time already. One pilot may fly different type of plane. Each type have their own set training, simulation and examination.

That's why having the same type number is attractive.

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