Actually, Ember.js gives you the same experience for frontend development than Rails for backend. So you can stay happy and productive. ;)
I Miss Rails
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Re: I Miss Rails
#102> if the modern equivalent of Rails already exists, please let me know! You're in luck. Rails 5.2.3 was released 20 hours ago. More seriously, I feel rails is still excellent and I'm happy to work with it every day. I'd be interested to hear more about what makes rails not modern? I find it a very productive framework. EDIT: If you're talking about missing a JS equivalent of rails, do you know about Loopback? https:/…
I think what the OP meant by 'modern,' was an equivalent of Rails that uses the technologies demanded by the tech industry today. On the one hand, the industry went to Python because a ton of data science libraries were written in that. On the other hand, React ended up real dominant on the front-end because of all the sh*t code people put between HTML JavaScript tags. Another route, is any promising asynchronous and scalability like Node or Elixir. So these divergent vectors make something like a Rails that can serve the needs of big data, snappy UI and scaling while at the same time using the team we've got super difficult. The needs of the industry have created an oblivion of the solution that was always already there, Rails.
Re: I Miss Rails
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sails.js [1] is a good JS equivalent of rails. https://sailsjs.com/
I worked extensively with sails.js about three years ago and it was an unmitigated disaster. The ORM has about 1/8th of Rails' functionality and queries that would be trivial with Active Record were a nightmare. On top of that the community was a mess and around the end of that time, a lot of the core maintainers dropped out because there was so much in fighting. Unless there have been some major changes I highly adv…
It's been about four years since we touched it. When we used Waterline (the Sails ORM), we discovered two distinct SQL injection vulnerabilities in it, without intentionally looking. I would link the related issues, but they seem to have disabled Github issues in the waterline repository[1]. That--and lots more--scared us away. We switched happily to Hapi[2] with about a week of work and never looked back.
Re: I Miss Rails
#104Why miss it, come on back, the water's still warm and the dev is still as fast as ever in Rails. Honestly, the JS stacks all seem vastly more annoying on so many levels. It seems like the JS ecosystem changes so fast because it knows better is possible, so it just tries to reinvent itself over and over. The JavaScript world starts with this weird prototype based language with a syntax that looks like it might be some…
> It seems like the JS ecosystem changes so fast
Does it tho? React, Webpack, Babel and TypeScript have been around for a while now, and I can't think about anything else more recent that had a similar impact on the JS ecosystem.
Re: I Miss Rails
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know this is the opposite of what you asked but I find Rails to be keeping pace with modernity much better than its conemporaries! Django seem to have given up on integrating websockets (ActionCable has been in Rails for literally years now), nor is there trivial integration for JS assets/asset pipeline functionality. I don't write much of either anymore, but I'd still reach for Rails the instant I need to get some…
for websockets, django has django-channels https://channels.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ . But I do agree, django has been a little late to this party.
What happened to bringing this into core? Last I was using Django that was the next big integration and it just sort of faded away.
Re: I Miss Rails
#106> if the modern equivalent of Rails already exists, please let me know! You're in luck. Rails 5.2.3 was released 20 hours ago. More seriously, I feel rails is still excellent and I'm happy to work with it every day. I'd be interested to hear more about what makes rails not modern? I find it a very productive framework. EDIT: If you're talking about missing a JS equivalent of rails, do you know about Loopback? https:/…
I think what the OP meant by 'modern,' was an equivalent of Rails that uses the technologies demanded by the tech industry today. On the one hand, the industry went to Python because a ton of data science libraries were written in that. On the other hand, React ended up real dominant on the front-end because of all the sh*t code people put between HTML JavaScript tags. Another route, is any promising asynchronous and…
And now I’m seeing more when more migrate to Go.
Re: I Miss Rails
#107> if the modern equivalent of Rails already exists, please let me know! You're in luck. Rails 5.2.3 was released 20 hours ago. More seriously, I feel rails is still excellent and I'm happy to work with it every day. I'd be interested to hear more about what makes rails not modern? I find it a very productive framework. EDIT: If you're talking about missing a JS equivalent of rails, do you know about Loopback? https:/…
Have you heard of AdonisJS? It is more akin Rails/Laravel than anything else before it. https://adonisjs.com/
Re: I Miss Rails
#108> if the modern equivalent of Rails already exists, please let me know! You're in luck. Rails 5.2.3 was released 20 hours ago. More seriously, I feel rails is still excellent and I'm happy to work with it every day. I'd be interested to hear more about what makes rails not modern? I find it a very productive framework. EDIT: If you're talking about missing a JS equivalent of rails, do you know about Loopback? https:/…
I think what the OP meant by 'modern,' was an equivalent of Rails that uses the technologies demanded by the tech industry today. On the one hand, the industry went to Python because a ton of data science libraries were written in that. On the other hand, React ended up real dominant on the front-end because of all the sh*t code people put between HTML JavaScript tags. Another route, is any promising asynchronous and…
>demanded by the tech industry today.
That attitude needs to get out of everyone's head. You are the tech industry. If you want to build something in Rails, a mature and capable framework that has tons of support and won't go away, just do it. Who's going to stop you? Applies to any other technology that's stable as well.
Re: I Miss Rails
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know this is the opposite of what you asked but I find Rails to be keeping pace with modernity much better than its conemporaries! Django seem to have given up on integrating websockets (ActionCable has been in Rails for literally years now), nor is there trivial integration for JS assets/asset pipeline functionality. I don't write much of either anymore, but I'd still reach for Rails the instant I need to get some…
Django has multiple good asset handling libraries. I like https://django-pipeline.readthedocs.io/ . And with django-channels ( https://channels.readthedocs.io/ ) Django goes way beyond just WebSockets. You can now do fully asynchronous data processing pipelines. I'm still happy working with Django (which is not something I can say about the JS ecosystem). Especially when doing APIs with Django REST Framework.
Fully agree with you - been in the JS world a lot lately and it's not as polished as the more 'traditional' web frameworks.
Channels was supposed to make core but never did - what happened there? That's what I was driving at really - if I were stewarding a modern web framework, I would be integrating websocket support. It never sat right with me that something as common as APIs is farmed out to a library in Django (this comes out of the box in Rails with no configuration) either.
I don't dislike Django, but I certainly find that there's a lot more messing around to get done things that I would consider pretty standard. I used the new Rails beta last week and I noticed that Webpack integration is now there - how long until we see something like that with Django?
Re: I Miss Rails
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Django has multiple good asset handling libraries. I like https://django-pipeline.readthedocs.io/ . And with django-channels ( https://channels.readthedocs.io/ ) Django goes way beyond just WebSockets. You can now do fully asynchronous data processing pipelines. I'm still happy working with Django (which is not something I can say about the JS ecosystem). Especially when doing APIs with Django REST Framework.
In Rail 6 webpack (with a framework integration via the webpacker gem) is the default system for handling JS, CSS still goes through the asset pipeline though. I wouldn't be surprised if Rails 7 drops sprockets entirely.
I saw this! It makes sense with the proliferation of front end view layers so I'm pleased that there's less work for me to do to integrate things like Vue and React. I was very late to the party with Rails but I do think it gets a lot of things right.