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I Miss Rails

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Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by revskill »

rsanheim wrote: post #87
revskill wrote: post #68

Here's how i replace Rails with the "modern stack": - Compile Graphql schema into Typescript typings + Fragments for "Active Record" - React Hooks as controllers action. - React Suspense for HTML rendering. - Apollo for graphql caching - ExpressJS for middlewares. - @reach/router for routing. - @loadable/component for code splitting. - Serverless for API. I missed Rails, too. But i found that the "modern stack" is no…

Your post is a perfect example of why the "modern stack" is a horrible developer experience (and lets be honest, probably crummy user experience) compared to Rails.

You're absolutely correct at current moment.

I hope the DX will get better soon. But this stack beats rails on scalability, universality, user experience, and many more. It's a trade-off that i found worth the effort.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by tomc1985 »

BillFranklin wrote: post #6

> if the modern equivalent of Rails already exists, please let me know! You're in luck. Rails 5.2.3 was released 20 hours ago. More seriously, I feel rails is still excellent and I'm happy to work with it every day. I'd be interested to hear more about what makes rails not modern? I find it a very productive framework. EDIT: If you're talking about missing a JS equivalent of rails, do you know about Loopback? https:/…

Rails is FANTASTIC!

I work on a hybrid React-on-Rails application and working on the React portions is so. fucking. painful. Seriously the shit people come up with with this "tool" makes corporate-hack Java programmers look good. I am always taking the backend Rails-y tickets if I have the chance

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by tomc1985 »

chanind wrote: post #11
ericb wrote: post #4

Why miss it, come on back, the water's still warm and the dev is still as fast as ever in Rails. Honestly, the JS stacks all seem vastly more annoying on so many levels. It seems like the JS ecosystem changes so fast because it knows better is possible, so it just tries to reinvent itself over and over. The JavaScript world starts with this weird prototype based language with a syntax that looks like it might be some…

Oddly I never considered starting a new project with it, but now I'm questioning why that is. I guess I just don't see many new projects started in Rails, and nowhere I've worked the past few years uses it. I stopped using it after Rails 3, but I'll give it a try again in the next side-project I work on and see how it goes.

Honestly I have stopped trusting 'the herd' as a metric as it seems we programmers are more enticed by shiny things than practicality or excellence in engineering

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by honopu »

parthdesai wrote: post #62
BillFranklin wrote: post #6

> if the modern equivalent of Rails already exists, please let me know! You're in luck. Rails 5.2.3 was released 20 hours ago. More seriously, I feel rails is still excellent and I'm happy to work with it every day. I'd be interested to hear more about what makes rails not modern? I find it a very productive framework. EDIT: If you're talking about missing a JS equivalent of rails, do you know about Loopback? https:/…

Speaking of JS, do you guys have a suggestion for good SQL querybuilder and maybe a migration tool for Node? I prefer to do everything else by hand or use smaller libraries. Not that i don't know how to write SQL queries by hand, it's just raw SQL queries with conditions is just ugly.

Knex is really nice. I use objection which extends it for orm stuff. The insert graph features are pretty neat. I definitely don’t use all it has to offer.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by Aeolun »

reilly3000 wrote: post #63

I really have no horse in this race, but I would like to know what the argument FOR React+Redux+GraphQL is for developing apps in 2019. Is it that we need to offer offline clients to meet user expectations? Better raw performance on the front end? Cheaper server costs or easier to deploy serverlessly? For the progressive enhancement of your resume?

Mainly that it’s fun, and the client wants it.

I’m not sure if the 20 extra client/server roundtrips increase raw performance though.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by Aeolun »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #43
koolba wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re going from TypeScript to Ruby? Having tasted the joys of static type checks combined with a unified front/back data model, IMHO, that’s unthinkable.

> joys of static type checks combined with a unified front/back data model Would you mind elaborating on the specific benefits?

100% accurate autocomplete everywhere? As long as you don’t use ‘any’ anyway.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by xvilka »

inapis wrote: post #37
hw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe Shopify is built on Rails and is (or was) a Rails monolith. It's worked well for them.

Shopify, Github, Gitlab are all built on rails. Even Twitter was on rails in its early days.

GitLab rewrote some parts in Go, because Ruby was too slow on a big scale.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by acmecorps »

tomc1985 wrote: post #92
BillFranklin wrote: post #6

> if the modern equivalent of Rails already exists, please let me know! You're in luck. Rails 5.2.3 was released 20 hours ago. More seriously, I feel rails is still excellent and I'm happy to work with it every day. I'd be interested to hear more about what makes rails not modern? I find it a very productive framework. EDIT: If you're talking about missing a JS equivalent of rails, do you know about Loopback? https:/…

Rails is FANTASTIC! I work on a hybrid React-on-Rails application and working on the React portions is so. fucking. painful. Seriously the shit people come up with with this "tool" makes corporate-hack Java programmers look good. I am always taking the backend Rails-y tickets if I have the chance

I truly agree with you. I absolutely love Rails and what it has to offer, ever since working with it since Rails 2+. Truly one of the best bet I've ever made!

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by jacques_chester »

debug-desperado wrote: post #84
cordite wrote: post #38

For those in the JVM world, is grails good to look into?

Groovy and Grails are still around but probably not as big a push anymore. I would highly recommend JHipster to bootstrap a new Spring Boot app. It does monoliths or microservices and gives you a great scaffold to build on top of.

Spring Boot + Kotlin is a pretty sweet experience.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by anm89 »

hezag wrote: post #66
BillFranklin wrote: post #6

> if the modern equivalent of Rails already exists, please let me know! You're in luck. Rails 5.2.3 was released 20 hours ago. More seriously, I feel rails is still excellent and I'm happy to work with it every day. I'd be interested to hear more about what makes rails not modern? I find it a very productive framework. EDIT: If you're talking about missing a JS equivalent of rails, do you know about Loopback? https:/…

Sails.js [1] is a good JS equivalent of rails. https://sailsjs.com/

I worked extensively with sails.js about three years ago and it was an unmitigated disaster. The ORM has about 1/8th of Rails' functionality and queries that would be trivial with Active Record were a nightmare. On top of that the community was a mess and around the end of that time, a lot of the core maintainers dropped out because there was so much in fighting.

Unless there have been some major changes I highly advise staying away from sails.js.

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