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BBC podcasts on third-party apps

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Re: BBC podcasts on third-party apps

#141
If anyone is on android, I would like to recommend a podcast player that is in no way affiliated with google, is open-source and good

Antenna pod -- https://antennapod.org/

Google play page -- https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.danoeh.ante...

Github -- https://github.com/antennapod/AntennaPod

It uses RSS and open standards, has all of the podcast playing features like 2x speed, sleep timer auto download etc.

Re: BBC podcasts on third-party apps

#142

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By "revocable, per-user keys" do you mean each user is given a unique URL to download premium content from or is some type of cryptographic DRM being leveraged?

I'd imagine it's a token in the request headers

I doubt it's request headers since that would require the podcast player to set them. Putting it in the URL itself would make it work with every player on the planet.

Re: BBC podcasts on third-party apps

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> Seems odd to define a thing by how it's packaged and consumed rather than the content itself. You mean like TV shows? And radio shows? And newspaper comics?

I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that all of those things are completely divorced from their original medium. Saying that podcasts have to be consumed via RSS is like saying that TV must be delivered via cable.

A tv show is still something I would expect to be able to watch on my tv?

Would you say a Word document is a web page?

Re: BBC podcasts on third-party apps

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Because when you use their ecosystem, they get user data. They acknowledge that in their blog post: > We also want to make our programmes and services as good as they can possibly be - this means us getting hold of meaningful audience data. They claim it's because they're a public service and need to know what the public want, but there are other ways, and I'm torn on if it's a legit case or not. NPR has been trying…

Which is a lie. Podcasts are played directly from the source, meaning they have the stats already. The only thing they may not know are subscription rates.

Podcasts are downloaded from source, but may also be downloaded and played locally. Knowing download data isn't the same as knowing it was actually played (I regularly delete podcasts from my feed, but my client still downloads them), let along if I'm pausing for periods at a time, or fast forwarding, or any other habits that may be useful.

Re: BBC podcasts on third-party apps

#145
Anything that isn't an RSS feed that serves MP3s, and therefore can't be synced to an offline media player, isn't a "podcast", and shouldn't be called such. If they can just remove their show feed from Google's program, then it's probably not an open/standardized RSS feed, and Google's program probably isn't a podcast program as we know it.

Podcasts are great because they're essentially open and standardized, and I can sync them with bloated desktop programs like iTunes, FOSS programs like Antennapod, or even command-line interfaces like Newsboat. DRM and arbitrary gating of media behind proprietary technologies just makes it worse and blocks it off from so many people.

Re: BBC podcasts on third-party apps

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Google Podcasts is a replacement for the Podcast aspect of Google Play Music. They're splitting it into "Google Podcasts" and "YouTube Music"

Google Podcasts is TERRIBLE compared to Google Play. The UX is just so bad. You'd expect at least some podcast-specific features like mark podcast as listened.

You mean - the option that says "mark as listened"? :)

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This is hilarious. Google is trying to leverage it's search & mobile OS market positions into pushing people towards its podcast app. Unfortunately for Google it has come up against one of the few entities in the world that can just turn around and say "Fuck. That." Frankly, I think this is a monopolist tactic from Google and it should result in government investigations but I have no hope that will happen. Nice to k…

What's hilarious is that the reason is Google is pushing back on sharing user analytics with BBC. For another company it'd be the pinnacle of respecting user but you just seem biased against Google so there's nothing they can do to please you it seems. All other services (Spotify, SoundCloud, Apple, etc.) serve podcasts on their own properties but if Google does it it's monopolistic. To me such claims about Google ha…

The podcasts are played directly from the BBC's servers.

The BBC already have all the consumption data that they would expect - IP address, device, time listened, etc - in their own server logs. Just like a normal podcast player.

So... what user analytics do the BBC actually want?

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That's not quite what happens. https://podnews.net/article/bbc-blocks-google does go into the actual user experience, rather than what the BBC is claiming.

But this brings up a good point. What is the value of google showing you the play buttons in the search results? They're trying to keep you on google's site.

Either:

1. You see a podcast you're interested in

2. You go to the BBC's website

3. You discover you need to download BBC Sounds (if in the UK)

4. You download the app

5. You register with a username and password (and UK postcode, which narrows you down to the street where you live)

6. You press play and start listening

or

1. You see a podcast you're interested in

2. You press play and start listening

Wouldn't anyone prefer #2? Including the BBC's programme makers?

Re: BBC podcasts on third-party apps

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That's not quite what happens. https://podnews.net/article/bbc-blocks-google does go into the actual user experience, rather than what the BBC is claiming.

> though BBC Sounds remains unavailable to non-UK listeners I'm a non-UK listener and use the BBC Sounds app all the time. The only thing that's unavailable are program downloads.

The BBC Sounds app is only available within the UK. You may be talking about the BBC iPlayer Radio app, which is the only one available outside the country.

Unless you're side-loading on Android, which is perfectly possible too, but that's not quite "being available".

Re: BBC podcasts on third-party apps

#150
I listen to a lot of BBC content, from their website, and it's not great to say the least. Some require to listen in their sound app (player on the web), some permit to download the audio file, none display a RSS link, and finally they usually do not grant access to their archives.
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