Sexist!
Just kidding...people are too sensitive.
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't think it's obvious, if you just look at the headline. Is the integrity of the quote more important than looking non-biased against women programmers?
I usually come out pretty strongly against programmer-culture misogyny, however subtle, but here we're talking about a pretty famous quotation and I would answer to your question, "yes". There's a difference between sexism and historically-weighted badassness. One could argue there's a literacy-filter being applied here more than a gender-filter.
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#23"Why join the navy, when you can come be a pirate like us?" - probably one of the best lines I've heard in a while.
That’s a variant of a quote by Steve jobs http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs
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#24I can't think of a better ad to attract the people needed for a startup. Kudos for keeping it real, honest and to the point. Wish you the very best.
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#25Sexist! Just kidding...people are too sensitive. http://www.antarctic-circle.org/advert.htm
Well, call me too sensitive then: it is sexist.
If they need to explicitly mention that "women are welcome" in a footnote, that pretty much confirms that their choice of headline is saying that women are somewhat less than welcome.
I don't see why being too sensitive is seen as somehow worse in the startup/developer community than being too insensitive.
You'd think it would be smarter to err in the other direction...
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#26Maybe consider mentioning where you are? It took some googling to find out that SOMA is apparently somewhere in San Fransisco.
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#27Sexist! Just kidding...people are too sensitive. http://www.antarctic-circle.org/advert.htm
> Just kidding...people are too sensitive
Well, actually, it's not up to us to decide whether it is or it isn't.
While there are surely people who are too sensitive, the dismissal-of-complaint-by-invocation-of-oversensitiveness-by-non-aggrieved-group is a classic pattern too.
I.e. it's easy to say someone's oversensitive, if you don't care about (or struggle against) what they do.
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#28Nice, but you'd be much better off with "Good men and women wanted for hazardous journey." There may be statistically fewer women in tech, but you'll never hear from them with a title like that!
The headliner is an apocryphal quote from Ernest Shackleton, leader of a doomed but famous Antarctic expedition in 1914. Nothing about the current state of tech was implied, nor about our desired employee pool. Obviously we welcome one and all.
> Nothing about the current state of tech was implied
I'll make your implication for you, then: The current state of tech is just as sexist and imbalanced as the world of exploration was in 1914.
> Obviously we welcome one and all.
If it were obvious, why did you need that footnote about women being welcome too? And why do you need to repeat that point in clarifying comments?
(N.b., Slightly intentionally provocative.)
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#29Nice, but you'd be much better off with "Good men and women wanted for hazardous journey." There may be statistically fewer women in tech, but you'll never hear from them with a title like that!
The headliner is an apocryphal quote from Ernest Shackleton, leader of a doomed but famous Antarctic expedition in 1914. Nothing about the current state of tech was implied, nor about our desired employee pool. Obviously we welcome one and all.
It's pretty obvious that your intent was innocent. But the fact that you didn't realize how awful a headline that is sends a different message.
On the other hand, it's not just you guys -- i.e. you're no worse than the avg. tech company, FWIW.
This is a classic example of the techie "we're a meritocracy, so we couldn't possibly be sexist" thinking that's so common. It's not the pat on the ass and glass-ceiling kind of sexism, to be sure, but it's the STFU 'cause no one's grabbing your ass kind of sexism.
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#30Sexist! Just kidding...people are too sensitive. http://www.antarctic-circle.org/advert.htm
Well, call me too sensitive then: it is sexist. If they need to explicitly mention that "women are welcome" in a footnote, that pretty much confirms that their choice of headline is saying that women are somewhat less than welcome. I don't see why being too sensitive is seen as somehow worse in the startup/developer community than being too insensitive. You'd think it would be smarter to err in the other direction...
"I don't see why being too sensitive is seen as somehow worse in the startup/developer community than being too insensitive."
I'll venture a guess: because many of us find it incredibly tiring and annoying to have to constantly stop and think "is there any possible way the following sentence could be interpreted as prejudiced against any group?" when communicating.
If person A says something non-sexual and person B finds a way to make it so (ie "that's what she said") we think person B is the dirty minded one, not A. However if person A says something non-racial and person B finds a way to make it so, we act like A has committed a grave offense and needs to apologize.
Too many people in America can't look at an ink-blot without seeing sexism or racism or discrimination of some stripe. Being "too sensitive" is often just causing controversy or problems where none needed to exist. It also makes it so that legitimate discrimination is harder to notice because it gets lost in a sea of false accusations.
The tl;dr is: save the outrage for legitimate discrimination, don't waste time & energy trying to manufacture it everywhere