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What did Google+ get right?

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Re: What did Google+ get right?

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Some of this could also be "What did LiveJournal (and therefore also its clones) get right?" Oddly LiveJournal seems to always get left out of these discussions, even though it had more features than many later sites (Facebook, Twitter, etc). There's good reason to avoid LiveJournal itself these days, but the clone sites still live (e.g. Dreamwidth).

Wasn't LJ just a blogging platform?

I used it in early 2000 and was blown away by what MySpace offered compared to LJ.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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I scrolled through my long dead plus profile before I nuked it a few weeks ago. The main thing I noticed is that I posted a broad spectrum of things there from all the hobbies and interests in my life. When I moved to twitter my profile became almost two dimensional - mostly about two topics of interest and nothing in between. Lots of quips and no longform posts. Although I do like being able to curate my feed and my own posts down to a very limited set of topics, I also miss the way I could discover new things on Plus and, long before that, Stumbleupon. It was easier to break out of my echo chamber. I don't have a modern day tool to fill that role (would love to hear some options if anyone has suggestions)

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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It's only now that I use Twitter on a daily basis that I realize the problem of having a single feed for your private life, work, hobbies, etc. It just doesn't work and is one of the main reasons why I unfollow people. I think the underlying functionality of circles and collections are a must but maybe they can be implemented in a better and easier to use way.

I think of the underlying problem as "the metadata delusion." We programmers look at difficulties users have dealing with large volumes of data and think, aha! I can solve this by giving them ways to add metadata to those data, so it can be more easily browsed/filtered/faceted/whatever. (We think that because programmers have an analytical cast of mind, which we then extrapolate from -- this would be useful for me ,…

It seems to be working for Instragram, but they implemented the simplest possible thing for stories - you can have your "everyone" group, or your "close friends" group. No custom labels, no additional groups, just those two and thats it. I see quite a few friends who never even participated on G+ or similar making use of it.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Google Cloud console. And Gsuite Admin. And Gmail. Well, maybe the latter isn't simple anymore

They seem to have lost sight on a big part of what made them attractive to begin with.

It's funny because Google has this guy, I think he's called Alex Russel, running around and telling the world which websites are too slow and how to improve web performance.

Somehow the rest of Google seems to ignore him.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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The question is, what problem did Google+ solve?

It solved the problem of "It's 2016 and the fourth presidential debate. I want to post about Marco Rubio! But I don't want to annoy my non-political-junkie friends with this..." IIRC, Facebook had Friend Lists at the time, but it wasn't easy to share content exclusively with a friend list.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think of the underlying problem as "the metadata delusion." We programmers look at difficulties users have dealing with large volumes of data and think, aha! I can solve this by giving them ways to add metadata to those data, so it can be more easily browsed/filtered/faceted/whatever. (We think that because programmers have an analytical cast of mind, which we then extrapolate from -- this would be useful for me ,…

It seems to be working for Instragram, but they implemented the simplest possible thing for stories - you can have your "everyone" group, or your "close friends" group. No custom labels, no additional groups, just those two and thats it. I see quite a few friends who never even participated on G+ or similar making use of it.

Yeah, that's a good example: if you must have the user add metadata, keep it as simple as you possibly can. "You have exactly two buckets, everything goes in one or in the other" is about as simple a metadata system as you can get.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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Aren't the circles really aimed at the spammer mentality? (e.g. I am broadcasting)

For me, circles seemed to do the opposite. Instead of blasting an update to every person on my friends list (coworkers, family, friends) I could limit the exposure to a subset.

This seemed like a better way to control spam in the ~3 posts I made on Google+.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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post #21

Some of this could also be "What did LiveJournal (and therefore also its clones) get right?" Oddly LiveJournal seems to always get left out of these discussions, even though it had more features than many later sites (Facebook, Twitter, etc). There's good reason to avoid LiveJournal itself these days, but the clone sites still live (e.g. Dreamwidth).

Wasn't LJ just a blogging platform? I used it in early 2000 and was blown away by what MySpace offered compared to LJ.

I mean, you had your friends page, which aggregated all the posts from people you'd added as friends (this was a one-way thing, it didn't require the other person's agreement). You could also make posts locked so that only your friends, or specific subsets, could see them. (Later it became possible to separate these two different functions of adding someone as a friend, although a little troublesome. On Dreamwidth these are entirely separate functions, with the "friends page" now called the "reading page"; you "subscribe" to people to add them there, and you "give access" to people to let them read your locked posts.) People can also set up "communities" that people can join and post to. And of course people had profiles where they could write a little bit about themselves, and you could see their friend lists (or these days on Dreamwidth, subscription lists and access lists).

Seems to me it basically resembles the later "social networking" sites in features (and outdoes them except possibly Google+), just the tone was more focused on long-form blogging.

I guess the one thing lacking that people these days would expect was that you couldn't easily upload pictures and such (that was a paid feature IIRC; haven't checked how that works on Dreamwidth). But if you ignore that...

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