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Why not: Fast food: metal cutlery at the restaurant that gets washed and reused. Take away: your own cutlery at home.
And if you're on the go? Eating as a passenger in a car, etc.
They're banning single use plastic only. Other plastic plates are not banned. Given how much it costs in Europe to rent square meters to store stuff I wonder if event companies won't just buy multiple-use plastic plates and just throw them away anyway as it's cheaper than to pay personal to clean them, transport them to containers and then rent the space to store them, secure them etc.
That would make those plastic plates single-use, wouldn't it? It raises the question of whether single-use is only about the supposed intention of the producer or also about the actual usage of the item.
They're banning single use plastic only. Other plastic plates are not banned. Given how much it costs in Europe to rent square meters to store stuff I wonder if event companies won't just buy multiple-use plastic plates and just throw them away anyway as it's cheaper than to pay personal to clean them, transport them to containers and then rent the space to store them, secure them etc.
this is exactly what happened with the previous ban single use plastic bags were banned, so now instead people accumulate the more dense multi-use bags under their kitchen sink instead
Not that I'm especially surprised but the concept of subsidiarity isn't worth much these days is it?
I mean I understand that you can't introduce a bill like the GDPR effectively if every EU country does it differently. But plastic? Come on.
I support the gist of this ban by the way, yet agree with you that it has nothing to do at the EU level.
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First, comments like yours is how nothing ever gets done. Second, you use citation-free statistics that are misleading. How much plastic waste from Asia is from "recycled" US and European ("first world", to use your dog whistle) plastics? edit: to repeat myself, How much plastic waste from Asia is from "recycled" US and European ("first world", to use your dog whistle) plastics? - the research that 90% of the plastic…
> First, comments like yours is how nothing ever gets done. The politician's fallacy, is a logical fallacy of the form: 1. We must do something 2. This is something 3. Therefore, we must do this.
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I try to use paper whenever possible for environmental reasons, and it's really only usable for dry foods. Some paper has a waxy coating that helps, but it's quite a bit more expensive and if you are doing any sort of cutting/poking the food, you still don't get a lot of time before you break through. So tl;dr: paper is a worse user experience. Worth it IMHO but many people will certainly not agree.
That waxy coating is very likely just plastic. Wax coating of paper products has dropped out in favor of plastic and that makes those paper products unrecyclable.
Disposable plates and paper boxes covered in grease and food bits or soggy with liquid also shouldn’t be tossed in the recycle bin (except in places which explicitly accept them), with or without a coating.
They're banning single use plastic only. Other plastic plates are not banned. Given how much it costs in Europe to rent square meters to store stuff I wonder if event companies won't just buy multiple-use plastic plates and just throw them away anyway as it's cheaper than to pay personal to clean them, transport them to containers and then rent the space to store them, secure them etc.
this is exactly what happened with the previous ban single use plastic bags were banned, so now instead people accumulate the more dense multi-use bags under their kitchen sink instead
90% of the plastic in the ocean comes from Africa and Asia. First world countries put their garbage, generally speaking, into garbage dumps. This EU rule will do nothing.
Here is a HN comment from 3 months ago that includes extensive research on the subject. More specifically, much of the plastic waste in the ocean looks to be from merchant shipping abuses, not single-use plastic litter. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18731627
Pretty hard political problem though.
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this is exactly what happened with the previous ban single use plastic bags were banned, so now instead people accumulate the more dense multi-use bags under their kitchen sink instead
This is false. Plastic use has been dramatically reduced by the previous law. Source: Assessment of measures to reduce marine litter from single use plastics, European Comission, 2018