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Re: Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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Is there some reason why this only happens from 7pm? I would have thought that the net would either be censored all the time and nothing would ever work, or else a VPN would work always.

If I had to guess, they reduce the censorship during the day to lessen the effect on businesses. In the evening it's primarily going to be people using the internet at home, which they'll want to control more tightly.

Also in 9-5 China time most western people are not online. But in the Chinese evening Europe wakes up and then slowly also the US comes online leaking into the Chinese morning.

Re: Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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> Already many (most?) elementary schools in HK speak Mandarin instead of Cantonese. Mandarin is far easier to learn and speak than Cantonese

I don't know what you're getting at. Shouldn't they learn Spanish or something because it's "easier"?

It sounded like you lament transition the from Cantonese to Mandarin and you make it seem like a bad thing, near equivalent to the loss of rights and freedoms. I don't feel that way.

Sarcasm aside, Spanish is not easier for Chinese people since barely anyone speaks it in Asia other than nouns in the Philippines. Mandarin is easier because it's already the primary language for most Chinese people and not just the mainland. It's also generally easier to speak and understand compared to Cantonese. Having one standard language is an advantage vs having a million "dialects".

There are many bad things about the HK handover. Standardizing on Mandarin is not one of them.

Re: Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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I’ve sort of done the move. If you are not ethnically Chinese and speak the language, there will be a few things to get used to. The degree will depend a bit on where you end up. For example: - pollution can be a big problem. - if Chinese company, work culture can be very different. More top down, longer hours etc. - noisy. Most places you go in big cities you are surrounded by noise. Cars, people, construction. It d…

I've visited several developing economies and this is basically it for most of them. You can replace "Chinese" with "Indian", "Brazilian" etc. We live in a bubble in the West.

Re: Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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NOTE: I wanted to say I spoke pretty good Mandarin before going to China the first time. I knew what I was getting into and really wanted to be there. If you appreciate Chinese culture and have studied a bit ignore everyone's warnings - you'll be fine. I'm late and most of what I have to say has already been said, but I'm a bit of a different story, given as I'm Western but started my career in China. I've worked at…

Funny because almost everything you described there sounds terrible to me.

I can't imagine trading being able to cycle or access uncensored internet for the ability to rent an umbrella.

Re: Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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I don't know what you're getting at. Shouldn't they learn Spanish or something because it's "easier"?

It sounded like you lament transition the from Cantonese to Mandarin and you make it seem like a bad thing, near equivalent to the loss of rights and freedoms. I don't feel that way. Sarcasm aside, Spanish is not easier for Chinese people since barely anyone speaks it in Asia other than nouns in the Philippines. Mandarin is easier because it's already the primary language for most Chinese people and not just the main…

Language attrition is a real thing, and it's terrible.

Erasing the language erases part of the culture that makes Hong Kong unique and interesting. It's a poverty to do so.

Re: Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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post #126

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I was interested in genuine responses, not in starting a flamewar.

I believe you, but intention isn't enough. How you frame such a question has the largest impact on what responses emerge. The combo of a low-information comment, a pejorative, and a divisive topic is going to be a flamebait cocktail regardless of anything else.

Sorry to bother you, but this is frustrating. I think I may be a little on the spectrum, so please take my statement literally. The comment by the parent was undeniably true. It really is an authoritarian dictatorship (Source: obvious common sense and also my extended family is all Chinese). Source: obvious common sense and also my beloved extended family is mostly Chinese).

I feel like the question was framed properly and I can’t attribute any of those traits to it – pejorative, divisive, flame bait. Your thoughts?

Re: Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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post #176
post #126

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I believe you, but intention isn't enough. How you frame such a question has the largest impact on what responses emerge. The combo of a low-information comment, a pejorative, and a divisive topic is going to be a flamebait cocktail regardless of anything else.

Sorry to bother you, but this is frustrating. I think I may be a little on the spectrum, so please take my statement literally. The comment by the parent was undeniably true. It really is an authoritarian dictatorship (Source: obvious common sense and also my extended family is all Chinese). Source: obvious common sense and also my beloved extended family is mostly Chinese). I feel like the question was framed proper…

You're not bothering me! But I only saw this reply by accident. If you want to be sure to get an answer you should email us instead (hn@ycombinator.com). Just keep in mind that we can't always reply right away.

There are two problems. First, the term "authoritarian dictatorship" is not as well-defined as you seem to suggest, and carries a pejorative meaning which is separate from any factual information it does contain. Second, the comment was too short to convey much information in its own right. When people post pejorative, low-information comments about inflammatory topics, that's flamebait, whether or not they intended it that way. I'm sure that driverdan had no malicious intent, but intent doesn't protect a dry forest from dropped matches.

I can understand why you would be frustrated by this response if you look at the comment as an atomic, standalone thing. But comments on internet forums aren't standalone. They're prefixes of the subthreads that follow from them, and commenters are partly responsible for what follows from their comments. Certainly they are responsible for following the site guidelines, which distill much of what we've learned over the years about how to comment in ways that don't lead to degenerate subthreads.

Re: Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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post #177
post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to bother you, but this is frustrating. I think I may be a little on the spectrum, so please take my statement literally. The comment by the parent was undeniably true. It really is an authoritarian dictatorship (Source: obvious common sense and also my extended family is all Chinese). Source: obvious common sense and also my beloved extended family is mostly Chinese). I feel like the question was framed proper…

You're not bothering me! But I only saw this reply by accident. If you want to be sure to get an answer you should email us instead (hn@ycombinator.com). Just keep in mind that we can't always reply right away. There are two problems. First, the term "authoritarian dictatorship" is not as well-defined as you seem to suggest, and carries a pejorative meaning which is separate from any factual information it does conta…

Thanks very much for the answer. I need to rethink things.
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