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Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Kids these days do a lot of disgusting things. They don't know how to write their own linker scripts, read assembly, or code in a real man's language (C). They think dynamic typing is "fun" and "productive". They don't even know how to manage threads or memory and use entire megabytes of RAM to send messages to each other using an inferior version of irc. Primarily they constantly waste precious cycles, eat quiche, a…

cough FORTAN cough Real languages have arrays

Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Donald Knuth wrote TeX in Pascal. I think he chose it because it was the language most widely available at the time in universities where people wanted to use TeX; many were already using Pascal for teaching. (The first version had been written in SAIL, because it was the language available at the Stanford AI Lab where he had computer access.) Because Pascal did not have good support for strings and variable-length a…

This essay was entirely sarcastic, in case you missed that.

Of course. But it arose in the midst of, and makes explicit and implicit references to (and fun of), many debates and attitudes that were current at the time, not just concerning programming languages but also operating systems, structured programming, goto, etc. For instance, a few months before this essay Brian Kernighan had published “Why Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming Language” (https://www.lysator.liu.se/c/bwk-on-pascal.html) which ends with “Pascal is a toy language, suitable for teaching but not for real programming”.

Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

But a similar quote about the young is completely real -- just not by Socrates (who after all wrote nothing), but rather by Aristotle -- Book II, Part 12 of his "Rhetoric" has him complaining about young people -- it's a long passage, but some gems "They have exalted notions, because they have not yet been humbled by life or learnt its necessary limitations; moreover, their hopeful disposition makes them think themse…

"Millenials" described to a tee. Socrates quote was also pretty much right on. "Millenial" might be the most ingenious modern scam amongst software vendors, marketing, and every other person hangle their shingle and selling the millenials-are-unique nonsense.

Ive ranted before about this but as the learned ancients have already spoken about it then it should be obvious to all by now - each generation is more lenient in its upbringing of the next generation, sees problems arise from that, and then tries to explain it away by any means other than accepting blame for the trouble self-inflicted.

Im old enough to have seen this repeated 3x in my own lifetime and a small amount of reading can show to anybody else that this has been the case for over 2000 years. Neither Tim, Jeff, Satya, Richard or (name your fav 'modern' CEO here) can solve this. Its a human psychology problem which we have been happily creating, recognising, refusing blame for, and buying snake-oil solutions for, for as long as the world has had the written word.

Wake up people.

For the record: Im huge fan of freepascal but write most of my own code in python out of laziness(batteries included is powerful motivator for me). Sometimes dabble in C#, now learning ecmascript(again), and next trying again to learn nim and C. Father, product manager.

Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try it in vim, it works! It's an escape char for the space ;)

Vim is for \(avocado toast | quiche\) eaters. It's bloated. Real programmers use ed.

TECO users look down upon you with scorn and contempt.

Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Then there are monk programmers: http://www.mit.edu/~xela/tao.html "The Silent Void Thus spake the Master Programmer: When you have learned to snatch the error code from the trap frame, it will be time for you to leave."

"After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless."

Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Then there are monk programmers: http://www.mit.edu/~xela/tao.html "The Silent Void Thus spake the Master Programmer: When you have learned to snatch the error code from the trap frame, it will be time for you to leave."

That's definitely one of the funniest things I've the chance to read recently.

Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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This document was written towards one end of my life. I wonder if I look as dated as it does.

Probably. Even your name is out of date. There aren’t that many people named Tom anymore.

And yet, it used to be that everyone had a friend named Tom. In fact, Tom was your first friend. But that was a different time and Space.
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