From what I understand, Australia (and other nations) don't give their citizens explicit rights, such as to personal and property privacy.
We don’t have a bill of rights, but we’re hardly a totalitarian state. Nanny state, maybe.
Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of storing data in Australia
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#12I was about ready to move all my email over to Fastmail before this happened. But not now.
There was a thread I made about ProtonMail v FastMail and this one point came up at the top. However ProtonMail’s inability to support standard clients without an awkward bridge app seems to take edge off it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19372882
> ProtonMail’s inability to support standard clients without an awkward bridge app
Isn't that one of the pros of Protonmail? All the data is encrypted and decrypted on the client. There is no way to have mail apps access the data without a piece of software that handles the encryption.
Re: Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of storing data in Australia
#13From what I understand, Australia (and other nations) don't give their citizens explicit rights, such as to personal and property privacy.
Australians have very few constitutionally guaranteed rights (compared to countries such as the US). The Constitution only gives us the right to vote, the right to a trial by jury, and freedom of religion (and a few others). But many more rights, including extensive privacy rights, exist in statute law and elsewhere.
The main argument against adding more rights to the Constitution, is: "we don't want to end up with obsolete rights that do more harm than good, and that are virtually impossible to get rid of, like the US with its right to bear arms".
Re: Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of storing data in Australia
#14That's one of the biggest things that lawmakers here couldn't seem to understand - tech companies have high mobility across borders. Even if a law has no teeth, why would Microsoft store data in Australia when the next country over can still serve data for the region? It just creates too much risk, from a privacy and PR standpoint. Startups will be more adverse to founding in Australia as well. It just creates a blac…
They can do what Russia does and some of Europe do and require AU citizen data remain in AU.
Re: Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of storing data in Australia
#15From what I understand, Australia (and other nations) don't give their citizens explicit rights, such as to personal and property privacy.
Australians have very few constitutionally guaranteed rights (compared to countries such as the US). The Constitution only gives us the right to vote, the right to a trial by jury, and freedom of religion (and a few others). But many more rights, including extensive privacy rights, exist in statute law and elsewhere. The main argument against adding more rights to the Constitution, is: "we don't want to end up with o…
Of course “they” would say that. Easier to sell than enshrining rights in the constitution makes it impossible for us to encroach on those rights ;) tin foil stay strong
Re: Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of storing data in Australia
#16That's one of the biggest things that lawmakers here couldn't seem to understand - tech companies have high mobility across borders. Even if a law has no teeth, why would Microsoft store data in Australia when the next country over can still serve data for the region? It just creates too much risk, from a privacy and PR standpoint. Startups will be more adverse to founding in Australia as well. It just creates a blac…
Some customers demand to know which jurisdiction their data is stored in, so it isn't as simple as "move it somewhere friendlier".
You have control if you are running your own services on top of the main cloud providers, but if it is in O365 or GMail/GApps it used to be a different story, and this precluded their use by a bunch of .au organisations (universities, Govt departments) early on.
So now some of these orgs that need to have data stored in .au for privacy reasons (among other reasons) are subject to these new badly formed laws in some kind of twisted catch-22.
Re: Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of storing data in Australia
#17From what I understand, Australia (and other nations) don't give their citizens explicit rights, such as to personal and property privacy.
Australians have very few constitutionally guaranteed rights (compared to countries such as the US). The Constitution only gives us the right to vote, the right to a trial by jury, and freedom of religion (and a few others). But many more rights, including extensive privacy rights, exist in statute law and elsewhere. The main argument against adding more rights to the Constitution, is: "we don't want to end up with o…
> the right to vote
Yeah, but they mess even that up by making it obligatory. :)
Re: Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of storing data in Australia
#18From what I understand, Australia (and other nations) don't give their citizens explicit rights, such as to personal and property privacy.
People have a legal right to both personal and private property under Australian law. I’m not sure where you got that idea.
I'm interested to know what the farmers whose properties get taken by mining companies have to say about that.
Though genuinely unsure and curious as to whether that's a separate legal (or perhaps media reporting) issue.
Re: Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of storing data in Australia
#19I was about ready to move all my email over to Fastmail before this happened. But not now.
There was a thread I made about ProtonMail v FastMail and this one point came up at the top. However ProtonMail’s inability to support standard clients without an awkward bridge app seems to take edge off it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19372882
I run the bridge and it's really a non-issue. It runs in the background without a peep and auto-configures my mail client. Easy.
Re: Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of storing data in Australia
#20From what I understand, Australia (and other nations) don't give their citizens explicit rights, such as to personal and property privacy.
Australians have very few constitutionally guaranteed rights (compared to countries such as the US). The Constitution only gives us the right to vote, the right to a trial by jury, and freedom of religion (and a few others). But many more rights, including extensive privacy rights, exist in statute law and elsewhere. The main argument against adding more rights to the Constitution, is: "we don't want to end up with o…
> like the US with its right to bear arms
I find this funny because the SCOTUS basically can change the Constitution whenever they want.
The second amendment only states that the United States itself has a right to bear arms in order to defend itself (have a Militia)[0]. It didn't provide citizens the right to personal protection by guns until a 2008 Supreme Court case [1].
0: https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/United_States...
1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller