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American Employers Are Hung Up on Hiring PhDs

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Re: American Employers Are Hung Up on Hiring PhDs

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Work as a data scientist in AI. Have seen absolutely no evidence (either from my own personal observations, or from others) that PhD/masters are quantitatively or qualitatively better than folks without, outside of very specific scenarios (materials sciences, or very deep specific applied statistics - and even then, stats BS majors can generally knock balls out of the park).

Unfortunately, hiring for data science is now pretty much exclusive to having a Masters/PhD beforehand as a filter. (it wasn't as bad a year ago, but data science now is at a point where candidate supply is outstripping demand)

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Very few jobs require PhDs. Tech most certainly doesn't. I've been in this industry across three decades now, and by far the most talented people I've worked for or with have had nothing but HS diplomas and AS degrees. That's right. The bottom rung education levels. My dearest mentor, a man who has forgotten more about *nix, coding, and about anything else than I will ever know has a HS diploma and can and does run r…

That's fine most of the time but Google etc. are going to want a few PhD's in graph theory, AI, number theory, etc

Even in the case of google I know most of the people working in their AI program I know personally don't have an MS or PHD. As long as you can understand the work it's fine.

Re: American Employers Are Hung Up on Hiring PhDs

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Work as a data scientist in AI. Have seen absolutely no evidence (either from my own personal observations, or from others) that PhD/masters are quantitatively or qualitatively better than folks without, outside of very specific scenarios (materials sciences, or very deep specific applied statistics - and even then, stats BS majors can generally knock balls out of the park).

Yeh I found in the valley this is becoming more normal. Most of the big guys don't require it anymore. either.

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The current "PhD hang up" in tech, if it exists at all, seems to be driven by the competition for ML talent (edit: ML research talent).

To some extent, this is understandable: a typical undergrad CS curriculum is terrible preparation for ML research. I'd even say almost any analytical field: statistics, signal processing, physics, math, etc. is better preparation for working in ML than a conventional undergrad CS curriculum. But PhD in CS with specialization in ML/AI would be ideal for most employers, since exposure to more advanced stats, linear algebra, estimation theory, etc. becomes likely.

The other factor is that ML research is moving quickly and knowledge is being rapidly disseminated in academic conferences. A PhD has an advantage there over a typical undergrad, since they've already spent years learning to parse academic literature.

Re: American Employers Are Hung Up on Hiring PhDs

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I think it depends a lot on what it is that you want to do. For example, there are entire teams at companies like Facebook (Core Data Science) and Netflix that hire exclusively people with PhDs. Amazon especially is famous for hiring economists. Microsoft pours huge sums of money into Microsoft Research where the only goal is to fund research with relatively little (short-run) profit motive.

But if you're not on one of these research-oriented teams, then I think it's easy to look at PhDs on your own team and think of them as worthless when in fact they were trained for a pretty different set of things. There's the thing about judging a fish's ability to climb a tree. People seem relatively eager (see other comments) to rip into people with doctoral training for some reason.

Re: American Employers Are Hung Up on Hiring PhDs

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I think technical PhD is simply used as a filter for people who:

1) Have some aptitude for intellectual activity (in a quantitative field)

2) Had to drive a project and face failure

3) Can learn things on their own

Technical expertise is I think usually a distant fourth, since if you have the first 3 you can generally learn whatever is required.

Do you need a PhD to have these things? Definitely not, but it's a simpler weed out process.

Re: American Employers Are Hung Up on Hiring PhDs

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Very few jobs require PhDs. Tech most certainly doesn't. I've been in this industry across three decades now, and by far the most talented people I've worked for or with have had nothing but HS diplomas and AS degrees. That's right. The bottom rung education levels. My dearest mentor, a man who has forgotten more about *nix, coding, and about anything else than I will ever know has a HS diploma and can and does run r…

I've thought about this before because I've found the same thing. I think it's caused by an over reliance on education as a signal.

If you have a stack of resumes you're likely to interview everyone with a PhD, but only the ones with the most stellar github profile if they have no formal education.

During the interview if the PhD says something silly you'll probably disregard it. But the person without a formal education needs to be on point.

These and other filters means that a mediocre PhD can get through the hiring gauntlet but only the most kick ass high school graduates can make it through.

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