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Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Post by SonicSoul »

splatcollision wrote: post #230
SonicSoul wrote: post #224

it seems that in such cases easiest approach is to contact someone at Google to forward your case to the right person. I met Goog people at my coffee shop and had cases where weird behavior happened (when i tried to leave a review for example) and i just emailed them and they said "oh @#$ that looks like a bug I've forwarded this to PM at xxx. here's interim solution.." I couldn't believe it was that easy.. in the en…

Not everyone is lucky enough to have a network that includes google engineers. And it's laughable to suggest this as a remedy for "developer as platform customer service"...

point well taken.

i just wanted to share what worked for me, and assumed there are other ways to network with people. i don't live or ever visited SV. I do see how this is a low feasibility path

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Post by criddell »

antpls wrote: post #321
benologist wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there's going to be a fee it should come out of Google's $100+ billion in savings that they are accruing in part by evading expenses like customer support. This person, and all Play store developers, are customers that paid Google to publish on their app store. They shouldn't have to additionally pay Google to provide the same support that is standard everywhere else even at scale, such as AT&T, Comcast, Amazon et…

In the case of Google, neither developers nor end-users are customers. Their true customers are buyers of space to display ads, and buyers of data from user tracking.

I pay Google each month for Google Music, phone service, and for hosting. I'd say I'm a customer of theirs.

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Post by dTal »

shawnz wrote: post #279
dTal wrote: post #256

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I'm not convinced it's less serious. Google's bad behaviour is serious precisely because it has total control of the memetic environment. I've never had a problem with Google that would have required customer support, but I am conscious that I make dozens of Google searches a day, and that my view of the web is exactly what Google wants my view of the web to be. That scares me more than the customer service I've neve…

> and that my view of the web is exactly what Google wants my view of the web to be How so? As far as I know, the bubbling is based on your input only, not Google's. So their desires as a company are not involved in what you see.

"Bubbling" per se is essentially defined as that portion of Google's ranking algorithm that incorporates its opinion of you. The rest of it, the generic part of Google's algorithm, can and does reflect Google's desires as a company. The EU even fined them billions for it (specifically, for promoting Google Shopping over competing comparison services).

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Post by shawnz »

dTal wrote: post #333
shawnz wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and that my view of the web is exactly what Google wants my view of the web to be How so? As far as I know, the bubbling is based on your input only, not Google's. So their desires as a company are not involved in what you see.

"Bubbling" per se is essentially defined as that portion of Google's ranking algorithm that incorporates its opinion of you. The rest of it, the generic part of Google's algorithm, can and does reflect Google's desires as a company. The EU even fined them billions for it (specifically, for promoting Google Shopping over competing comparison services).

> "Bubbling" per se is essentially defined as that portion of Google's ranking algorithm that incorporates its opinion of you.

It's about incorporating Google's opinion of what you want to see, but you seemed to be implying that it is about incorporating Google's opinion of what you ought to see. I think that is somewhat misleading.

> The rest of it, the generic part of Google's algorithm, can and does reflect Google's desires as a company.

True, but what does that have to do with bubbling? Any sufficiently advanced search technology will have that problem whether it uses bubbling or not.

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Post by iamthirsty »

supermatt wrote: post #317
iamthirsty wrote: post #316

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But Android is not a technological monopoly, and Google has not monopolized all Android apps. You might have low standards for the application of anti-trust laws, but the government does not.

The EU has already ruled on exactly this.

The EU is much more neo-liberal than the U.S., and as a Libertarian, I'll wait and see what I trust is a more "valid" ruling — the opinion of a U.S. federal judge. If he/she rules a monopoly, and their opinion stands, I'll come back and give you kudos — alas, I don't think it will happen.

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Post by supermatt »

iamthirsty wrote: post #335
supermatt wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU has already ruled on exactly this.

The EU is much more neo-liberal than the U.S., and as a Libertarian, I'll wait and see what I trust is a more "valid" ruling — the opinion of a U.S. federal judge. If he/she rules a monopoly, and their opinion stands, I'll come back and give you kudos — alas, I don't think it will happen.

i agree. definitely not going to happen yet.
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