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Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

high as in I usually have 50% of my income available after paying rent/food/transportation and other costs. Rent is high if you keep "western" standards for your living space, likewise for food.

Honestly that's comparable to SF, percentage-wise. But the 50% that's left will be higher.

Yes, I know you could potentially earn 180k as a junior per year but then you potentially have to live in the US.

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China executes thousands of political prisoners per year to harvest thier organs on an industrial scale.

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I don't think you're going to get away from this. By living in and working in China, paying Chinese taxes, and supporting Chinese companies, you are directly supporting an authoritarian regeime.

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China executes thousands of political prisoners per year to harvest thier organs on an industrial scale.

Dunno if they would stop if they couldn’t harvest their organs.

Anywho, not every authoritarian regime bothers with that extra step.

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I've been considering a move to Japan. My pay would likely be several tens of thousands of dollars less (still very good, relative to the market but less than what I could command in a Western market), but it's also an opportunity to have a very different life experience.

Money vs. experience, it's really tough for me to figure out what's more important.

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I’ve sort of done the move. If you are not ethnically Chinese and speak the language, there will be a few things to get used to. The degree will depend a bit on where you end up.

For example:

- pollution can be a big problem.

- if Chinese company, work culture can be very different. More top down, longer hours etc.

- noisy. Most places you go in big cities you are surrounded by noise. Cars, people, construction. It doesn’t end.

- I find the general quality of things to be lower. Buildings are poor quality generally. Side walks aren’t as maintained. A lot of things look nice from a distance only.

- internet obviously. Things are blocked and vpn can be flaky.

- many every day things will be more difficult. Banking, medical care etc. On the other hand many things are also much more convenient. Food delivery, transportation (unless you want to drive yourself) etc

There are pros too of course. You get to learn about a different culture and language. You’ll be relatively wealthy compared to most people there. It’s really easy to meet new people.

In the end I’d say move there if there is a good reason: Higher salary, better opportunity you wouldn’t normally have or if you just want a change / adventure AND you can live with the cons, at least for a while.

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A warning for folks considering working in China (love to hear this debunked if untrue): https://www.chinalawblog.com/2016/09/the-china-stock-option-... > no foreign person can own stock in a Chinese domestic company not already listed on a stock market. So any such option or stock transfer is void from the start. Foreigners are not permitted to be shareholders of Chinese domestic companies, nor does China recognize…

you can via ADRs, at least for large companies they usually follow the market. However under the hood this seems unfair. Why does China get to be protective but the the west does not? Just greedy non-chinese companies that don't care where the investments are coming from?

Re: Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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I've been considering a move to Japan. My pay would likely be several tens of thousands of dollars less (still very good, relative to the market but less than what I could command in a Western market), but it's also an opportunity to have a very different life experience. Money vs. experience, it's really tough for me to figure out what's more important.

I think this is a lot of what it comes down to. Even taking a sabbatical and working overseas would be appealing depending on how the career winds blow. I'm curious about the money opportunities, but there's also a major value package that's non-monetary, and it would give a better perspective and skillset when returning to the west.

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A couple examples of AI engineers moving to Tokyo (I know it's different) and sharing some thoughts on Twitter: - David Ha w/ Google Brain: https://twitter.com/hardmaru - Adam Gibson started Skymind in Silicon Valley and moved to Tokyo a few years back: https://twitter.com/agibsonccc

At least Japan lets non-permanent residents avoid taxes on income from abroad (that stays abroad) for the first 5 years. Depends on your home country whether this lets you avoid their taxes.

In some cases, this can save a lot of tax.

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Why would anyone willingly move to an authoritarian dictatorship?

For me it was the money and opportunities. I turned a blind eye to the power abuse, human rights violations and corruption, and moved to the US anyways.

lmao. kernel of truth to be sure but in fairness American legal system and democratic governance do strictly result in more liberty and security for individuals by and large, corner cases notwithstanding
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