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Ask HN: Those who moved careers from the West to China, what's your experience?

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There's often talk in the news about China wanting to poach Silicon Valley talent to build up their own tech scene. There's also talk of founders who moved to Shenzhen to be closer to hardware development for rapid prototyping.

However, I've struggled to find individual examples of experiences. Has anyone done this, or know someone who has and blogs/tweets about it? I'm curious how this looks in reality.

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my impression is that unless you're in a super high-demand and high-level role (ie. Andrew Ng), it's still not that appealing compared to the US. For engineering roles, you're going to be worked harder and for lower pay than in the US. As an engineer with a degree in Chinese, I originally planned on working in China but found much better options stateside. Some of my colleagues have been successful in getting decent business-side tech jobs in China, or doing supply side stuff for businesses based outside of China.

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#3
A warning for folks considering working in China (love to hear this debunked if untrue):

https://www.chinalawblog.com/2016/09/the-china-stock-option-...

> no foreign person can own stock in a Chinese domestic company not already listed on a stock market. So any such option or stock transfer is void from the start. Foreigners are not permitted to be shareholders of Chinese domestic companies, nor does China recognize the concept of nominee shareholders.

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#4
A couple examples of AI engineers moving to Tokyo (I know it's different) and sharing some thoughts on Twitter:

- David Ha w/ Google Brain: https://twitter.com/hardmaru

- Adam Gibson started Skymind in Silicon Valley and moved to Tokyo a few years back: https://twitter.com/agibsonccc

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#5
To be honest, don’t don’t it. Unless you’re of Chinese descent and speak the language, you won’t be able to advance in most companies. The work culture is alien to most westerners and the benefits to your career are negligible.

Mostly depends on what you want out of your career but speaking as someone that lived in China and worked in Chinese tech companies for seven years, including being the first foreign hire for a large mobile games company, it’s not something I’d recommend mid-career. Maybe just starting out or if you can be hired into a c-level role.

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A warning for folks considering working in China (love to hear this debunked if untrue): https://www.chinalawblog.com/2016/09/the-china-stock-option-... > no foreign person can own stock in a Chinese domestic company not already listed on a stock market. So any such option or stock transfer is void from the start. Foreigners are not permitted to be shareholders of Chinese domestic companies, nor does China recognize…

One would have to be a very immoral individual (OP?) to be even thinking about working for a dictatorship that has enacted concentration camps, shut down all kinds of religious activities, and jailed pastors and democratic demonstrators alike. Not to mention the extreme social credit scores and AI-assisted censorship and monitoring of people living there.

Why not check out other countries? Taiwan, South Korea or Japan perhaps if one is interested in hardware.

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#7

A warning for folks considering working in China (love to hear this debunked if untrue): https://www.chinalawblog.com/2016/09/the-china-stock-option-... > no foreign person can own stock in a Chinese domestic company not already listed on a stock market. So any such option or stock transfer is void from the start. Foreigners are not permitted to be shareholders of Chinese domestic companies, nor does China recognize…

One would have to be a very immoral individual (OP?) to be even thinking about working for a dictatorship that has enacted concentration camps, shut down all kinds of religious activities, and jailed pastors and democratic demonstrators alike. Not to mention the extreme social credit scores and AI-assisted censorship and monitoring of people living there. Why not check out other countries? Taiwan, South Korea or Japa…

USA does all those things already too, lol.

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my impression is that unless you're in a super high-demand and high-level role (ie. Andrew Ng), it's still not that appealing compared to the US. For engineering roles, you're going to be worked harder and for lower pay than in the US. As an engineer with a degree in Chinese, I originally planned on working in China but found much better options stateside. Some of my colleagues have been successful in getting decent…

>for lower pay

How is it when adjusted for cost of living though?

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