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Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Post by supermatt »

ucaetano wrote: post #237
supermatt wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the market the common market, or is the android market? Is the commodity mobile apps, or android apps? Google have absolute monopoly of android apps in the common market, and a monopoly of mobile apps in the android market. The EU already ruled this http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4581_en.htm I really don't understand app-store apologists. Its abuse of dominance, plain and simple.

You also don't seem to understand economics. It isn't plain and simple, things are far more complex than that. And if you read the EU decision, you'll notice that they're assuming that Android doesn't compete with iOS...

> Google is dominant in the markets for ... app stores for the Android mobile operating system.

Did you even read my comment? It's literally exactly what I said. I gave two examples of a market and two of a commodity. Maybe you need to go read what a monopoly is instead of assuming others don't know what they are talking about (both me, and the EU, clearly)

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Post by parrellel »

Simple_Guy wrote: post #93
echelon wrote: post #8

Can we sue Google when they do things like this? No single entity should wield this much power. And we should rewrite the laws to make this so. Google and Apple wanted to be in the role of gatekeeper, so they should be beholden to the apps on their platform. We had a web where developers were in control of their own deployment. Everything was decentralized and required responsibility and diligence. Now the power is o…

Imagine you started a really cool walled garden, invited everybody over, and they all enjoy it. Then you kick out a few trolls, and one of them thinks that the government should come in and forcibly allow the trolls back in. It's my garden, my choice. You are still allowed to publish your app on the web.

Except its more of "and then you kick out anyone in the offenders social network including former coworkers" and "trolls" include "people who put the wrong credit card down" and "You" is a machine learning system with apparently minimum oversite. :-/

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Post by Faark »

criddell wrote: post #240
sercand wrote: post #20

When you receive that email from Google you can only fill a generic form given at the bottom of the email. You can't contact a human being to understand why it is rejected/removed. Problem is not written clearly and it doesn't include a screenshot as apple does. Google is terrible at support on Play Store (and some more of its services).

I understand that Google wants to handle as much as possible with a support.py script, but they really should start having people to contact. Maybe there should be a fee for a support request and if the Google rep finds that Google's automated system messed up they report the problem internally and refund the fee to the app developer.

Any processing fee should only go to a third party, otherwise you'll have a hard time avoiding bad incentives. Even for something like youtube, were you already have three parties, any arbitrator should be mostly independent from google, since they have a lot of control about what conflicts emerge in the first place (think content ID, punishments for false DMCAs, etc).

But i really cannot understand why something like this doesn't already exist. Imagine how many false DMCA conflicts could be avoided if both parties had to place a $5 deposit to get a human ruling. And the $5 of the losing party should easily be enough to compensate the arbitrators work for most conflicts. Building such a mechanical turk like small claims online arbitration service seems easy and no matter how hard I try, I cannot come up with any reason youtube wouldn't want to use such a service. So why does it not exist already?

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Post by ucaetano »

supermatt wrote: post #291
ucaetano wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You also don't seem to understand economics. It isn't plain and simple, things are far more complex than that. And if you read the EU decision, you'll notice that they're assuming that Android doesn't compete with iOS...

> Google is dominant in the markets for ... app stores for the Android mobile operating system. Did you even read my comment? It's literally exactly what I said. I gave two examples of a market and two of a commodity. Maybe you need to go read what a monopoly is instead of assuming others don't know what they are talking about (both me, and the EU, clearly)

Which is like saying that Subaru is dominant in the market for new cars sold at Subaru dealerships.

That completely ignores the fact that there is intense competition for developers and users between Android and iOS, and renders the point moot.

Sure, you can always define an arbitrary market for which a company will have dominance, but that's irrelevant from an economics perspective.

Maybe you should go read on what a monopoly actually is...

Here's a good interview with the economist who taught me what a monopoly is:

https://hbr.org/2017/11/as-more-people-worry-about-monopolie...

Will be a good point for you to start.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Post by Teknoman117 »

Stuckinsofa wrote: post #274
Teknoman117 wrote: post #129

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You have to do that on Windows and macOS now as well...

I haven't had to enable some global setting to allow unknown programs on Windows 10. What are you referring to?

Last time I did a fresh install of Windows 10 Home I had to go into Apps & features and disable "Allow apps from the Store only" in order to install Chrome. Didn't seem to have to do that on Windows 10 Pro.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Post by Faark »

Svoka wrote: post #161
pmx wrote: post #152

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There is nothing stopping you from using other app stores on android. Amazon has their own (amazon underground) and samsung have their own (galaxy store). There are others out there, too!

Google is de-facto monopolist if you want to make money off your apps/games. Company was publishing same game on basically all android stores, and returns were less than one hundredth comparing to the Play Store; even if it was featured in other stores.

Its sad so few people can acknowledge strong network effects is all it needs to create a de-facto monopolist.

Can you say what resources company invested to get listed on other stores? I'd expect it to be rather simple and would hope the tiny earnings would still pay for itself. But even for strategical reasons, I don't understand why even Google-competitors like Microsoft Office don't offer an optional PlayStore free download. At least for those not integrating Google services... and most of the apk's i got from "other" source did indeed work fine. But maybe there is just no way to avoid a tragedy of the commons without regulation.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Post by tkxxx7 »

ucaetano wrote: post #285
tkxxx7 wrote: post #282

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> Poor didn't have access, they couldn't afford a computer, much less an internet plan. Step out of the Hacker News bubble for a bit. I was very, very poor. So were most of the kids I grew up with. Most of us couldn't afford new computers; that's true. So we bought old ones. My father - tears in his eyes - lugged in something ancient that he'd picked up for $50, having no idea how to use it but hoping that putting it…

Very poor where? In the US? The "very poor" in the US are rich in most of the developing world.

I am aware of this, anticipated this response from you (as you’ve repeated in this thread), and addressed it at the end of the comment you’re replying to. I do not believe that a global perspective diminishes the argument in any way.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Post by supermatt »

ucaetano wrote: post #295
supermatt wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is dominant in the markets for ... app stores for the Android mobile operating system. Did you even read my comment? It's literally exactly what I said. I gave two examples of a market and two of a commodity. Maybe you need to go read what a monopoly is instead of assuming others don't know what they are talking about (both me, and the EU, clearly)

Which is like saying that Subaru is dominant in the market for new cars sold at Subaru dealerships. That completely ignores the fact that there is intense competition for developers and users between Android and iOS, and renders the point moot. Sure, you can always define an arbitrary market for which a company will have dominance, but that's irrelevant from an economics perspective. Maybe you should go read on what…

EU ruled on it. You are wrong. Maybe you need to go read some actual law instead of hbr...

The market is the common market, the commodity is android apps. Just like I said, just like the EU said. As for defining "arbitrary markets", I am not the one who described the appstore as a 'market' - that was google.

Go try your inflated ego elsewhere, i'll just call you out on your BS.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Post by ucaetano »

supermatt wrote: post #299
ucaetano wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is like saying that Subaru is dominant in the market for new cars sold at Subaru dealerships. That completely ignores the fact that there is intense competition for developers and users between Android and iOS, and renders the point moot. Sure, you can always define an arbitrary market for which a company will have dominance, but that's irrelevant from an economics perspective. Maybe you should go read on what…

EU ruled on it. You are wrong. Maybe you need to go read some actual law instead of hbr... The market is the common market, the commodity is android apps. Just like I said, just like the EU said. As for defining "arbitrary markets", I am not the one who described the appstore as a 'market' - that was google. Go try your inflated ego elsewhere, i'll just call you out on your BS.

> EU ruled on it. You are wrong.

Oh, you mean that if politicians pass a law saying the sky is red, then it stops being blue?

Seriously, if the EU "rules" that gravity doesn't exist, then it suddenly stops existing?

Don't be angry because you don't understand the subject...

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