Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system
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Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system
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Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system
#2This system seems inhumane. I’ll consider supporting a boycott of China if it would help.
Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system
#3This system seems inhumane. I’ll consider supporting a boycott of China if it would help.
In what way would you boycott China? Refuse to buy or use products made there? How likely do you think this could scale to an impact that would meaningfully impact China's trade?
And as horrible as I think the social credit system is, there's an interesting question, as people who don't live in China, what business it is of ours (except, perhaps, as a cautionary tale)?
Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system
#4This system seems inhumane. I’ll consider supporting a boycott of China if it would help.
In what way would you boycott China? Refuse to buy or use products made there? How likely do you think this could scale to an impact that would meaningfully impact China's trade? And as horrible as I think the social credit system is, there's an interesting question, as people who don't live in China, what business it is of ours (except, perhaps, as a cautionary tale)?
>> what business it is of ours (except, perhaps, as a cautionary tale)?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system
#5This system seems inhumane. I’ll consider supporting a boycott of China if it would help.
i don't think you understand the premises of how one ends up on the bad list.
"owing" money means you borrow from secondary lender, using it to buy risky assets. you essentially played with fire and got burned. lots of cases like this where these "businessmen" loses money and then declared bankruptcy, refusing to pay anyone back.
sounds a lot like wallstreet doesn't it? are you okay with what they did?
this is government way saying enough is enough.
Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system
#6This system seems inhumane. I’ll consider supporting a boycott of China if it would help.
In what way would you boycott China? Refuse to buy or use products made there? How likely do you think this could scale to an impact that would meaningfully impact China's trade? And as horrible as I think the social credit system is, there's an interesting question, as people who don't live in China, what business it is of ours (except, perhaps, as a cautionary tale)?
I don’t know. I sometimes manufacture physical products. I could state publically that I won’t. I could also not buy products made in China personally.
In general we ought to try to change things we don’t like. I can’t imagine the people of China like this system do they?
Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system
#7This system seems inhumane. I’ll consider supporting a boycott of China if it would help.
In what way would you boycott China? Refuse to buy or use products made there? How likely do you think this could scale to an impact that would meaningfully impact China's trade? And as horrible as I think the social credit system is, there's an interesting question, as people who don't live in China, what business it is of ours (except, perhaps, as a cautionary tale)?
The US is competing with China not just economically but socially as well. If China succeeds in creating a more 'productive' and 'complacent' population with its policies, expect the US government to do the same.
Remember the US still has the largest surveillance apparatus in the world. All they would need to do to implement a social credit system is to flip a couple of switches.
Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system
#8This system seems inhumane. I’ll consider supporting a boycott of China if it would help.
i don't think you understand the premises of how one ends up on the bad list. "owing" money means you borrow from secondary lender, using it to buy risky assets. you essentially played with fire and got burned. lots of cases like this where these "businessmen" loses money and then declared bankruptcy, refusing to pay anyone back. sounds a lot like wallstreet doesn't it? are you okay with what they did? this is govern…
I don’t understand how someone ends up on the list. But I’m fairly certain I understand it more than you do.
You can be put on the list for all sorts of things...
“examples of infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.”
Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
i don't think you understand the premises of how one ends up on the bad list. "owing" money means you borrow from secondary lender, using it to buy risky assets. you essentially played with fire and got burned. lots of cases like this where these "businessmen" loses money and then declared bankruptcy, refusing to pay anyone back. sounds a lot like wallstreet doesn't it? are you okay with what they did? this is govern…
I don’t understand how someone ends up on the list. But I’m fairly certain I understand it more than you do. You can be put on the list for all sorts of things... “examples of infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.”
Being a problem for local party officials too. Pretty hard to campaign against corruption if you are barred from travel and other systems.
Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
In what way would you boycott China? Refuse to buy or use products made there? How likely do you think this could scale to an impact that would meaningfully impact China's trade? And as horrible as I think the social credit system is, there's an interesting question, as people who don't live in China, what business it is of ours (except, perhaps, as a cautionary tale)?
I don’t know. I sometimes manufacture physical products. I could state publically that I won’t. I could also not buy products made in China personally. In general we ought to try to change things we don’t like. I can’t imagine the people of China like this system do they?
You can ask Chinese people whether they think the system is good and whether they want you to boycott China.