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Post by anoncake »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #257
anoncake wrote: post #196

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TIL World War II ended in 1969, at the earliest.

Maybe I did not explain myself enough. What I'm saying is that if a free Internet existed during WW2, resistance would have been able to communicate and collaborate. Moreover, people would have had access to both, propaganda news and real news.

There is no way a free Internet would have existed in Germany and the German-occupied territories during WW2. The resistance could in theory have organized one clandestinely. But setting up a secret computer network isnt really easier than setting up a secret telephone or telegraph network, which is good enough.

People actually did have access to real news, via radio. Listening to the Allies broadcasts was illegal, but possible.

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Post by adrianN »

clarkmoody wrote: post #435

It's called counter-revolution. Many revolutionary movements are eventually co-opted by elites (often the elites of the overthrown system) for their own purposes. Sometimes the new system put in place after the counter-revolution is worse than the system the original revolution sought to overthrow. The cypherpunks foresaw the dystopian surveillance state decades before the reality and tried to get out in front of it…

I don't think cryptography can win against legislation. There are no technological solutions to social problems.

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Post by pessimizer »

orwin wrote: post #278
nicc wrote: post #233

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In Europe it's normal to use the military for a variety of reasons. Specially since military draft was made voluntary, in Italy the military are used to walk around at train stations, help out in case of protests, etc. Actually, in Italy we have two institutions that are seen as "police": Police and Carabinieri. Carabinieri are exactly the same, but they're part of the military. As for: > Macron is still seen by a la…

Well. He is seen as right-wing in france (i.e close to the money). Average older citizen do like people who will protect their rent system and who seems to add stability, that's why they voted for him. Wheras most of my non-economically challenged younger friends prefer a bit of chaos and a high-ish inflation, and did not.

He is currently considered left-wing when compared to neonazis and white separatists, though. A lot of people (including neonazis and white separatists) currently think of the left-right continuum as being extreme left (think racism, sexism, and homophobia are really bad) -> center (don't care about politics) -> extreme right (think racism, sexism, and homophobia are really good.)

Being somewhere in between entails only thinking some of those things are really good, or only thinking some of those things are really bad, or thinking all of those things are only a little good, or thinking all of those things are only a little bad.

If you judge people based on policy or economics, neither Macron nor massive media corporations are on the left.

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Post by adrianN »

goblin89 wrote: post #309
adrianN wrote: post #172

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Somebody has to own the computers. You can sue those people if they don't comply with the law.

With well-implemented and sufficiently widespread P2P there’d be too many people to sue. (I can’t name a strong contender in the wild currently, but I would also hope that this regulation, if successfully implemented, catalyzes some progress in this direction as a side effect.)

You just sue the early adopters and write some articles about how the new system is used for criminal activity only and then completely ban it. You can't have technological solutions to political problems.

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Post by nkkollaw »

selimthegrim wrote: post #432
nicc wrote: post #294

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> What does his personal life have to do with the point you’re making? For the leader of a country, character is important. If I was French it would definitely worry me that my president dated his 40-year-old high school teacher when he was 16, and married a woman 25 years older than him. Not the average Frenchman--which was my point. > Why is it that right wingers want it both ways - Tucker Carlson thinks it’s not a…

Can you spell out what about it worries you? As for Carlson: https://jezebel.com/tucker-carlson-seems-to-have-a-lot-of-fu...

> Can you spell out what about it worries you?

Nothing worries me, really. I'm Italian and live in Poland, I care very little about France and what happens over there. I also care very little what other people do, and only comment on Macron because he's a public figure. I just think it's extremely creepy, and wonder how he managed to get elected despite that aspect of his personal life, and the fact that he's a banker. Politicians are regularly attacked (or at least judged) by what they do in their personal lives. They're public figures and represent the country, after all.

> As for Carlson: https://jezebel.com/tucker-carlson-seems-to-have-a-lot-of-fu.

Thanks for the link, and I don't know that publication, but the articles next to that are "How to Write a Condolence Note" and "How to Select the Right Therapist for You"..?

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Post by purrcat259 »

toyg wrote: post #536
koonsolo wrote: post #415

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Right now, when one of my users uploads copyrighted material, I can take it down when I see it. Or when I get a complaint (DMCA takedown). We're taking about teenagers here, so it's not always clear to them that they cannot use ripped sprites from other games, or music, or whatever. Basically I can make the uploader responsible for what they upload. The secondary problem is that my biggest competitor also has a lot o…

> after the UK leaves, not a single native English speaking country in there Oi! Ireland and Malta would have a word with you, mate. > I can just block that region (not the biggest one anyway Not the biggest, but the richest.

Nice to see Malta remembered for once :)

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Post by dvdkhlng »

toyg wrote: post #568
dvdkhlng wrote: post #195

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This list of votes was just linked from blog.fefe.de: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvot...

Better save that, elections coming up...

if you're from germany, then here is a prettier list showing votes associated with respective german parties:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2lvR35XcAArVsz.jpg:large

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

toyg wrote: post #528
fhrow4484 wrote: post #517

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When reading comments like this it feels like: there's no ambitious startup in Europe to become one of the large companies. Because now a startup has less than 3 years to add this content filtering, which provided as a service or not, is going to cost €€€. Do you think Spotify would be able to grow if it was created on March 27 2019 instead of 2008? A successful Content filtering as a service (compliance.ly & co. In…

What? Spotify has no uploading features, all their content comes from licenseholders.

All the content on YouTube is nominally licensed too. But what happens when someone submits someone else's music without permission?

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Post by kevingrahl »

toyg wrote: post #528
fhrow4484 wrote: post #517

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When reading comments like this it feels like: there's no ambitious startup in Europe to become one of the large companies. Because now a startup has less than 3 years to add this content filtering, which provided as a service or not, is going to cost €€€. Do you think Spotify would be able to grow if it was created on March 27 2019 instead of 2008? A successful Content filtering as a service (compliance.ly & co. In…

What? Spotify has no uploading features, all their content comes from licenseholders.

Strictly speaking that’s not quite true. A user can upload playlist covers and a text description for that playlist. Both the image and text could fall under copyright.

In 2013/2014 Ministry of Sound sued Spotify over not removing playlists based on Ministry compilations, created by Spotify’s users. Ministry claimed that its compilations qualified for copyright protection due to the selection and arrangement involved. [1] [2]

[1] - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/27/spotify-m... [2] - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/04/ministry-...

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Post by sparkling »

They pass all these silly laws like the cookie consent nag screen, the data retention directive, GDPR and now this. Then a few years later they wonder why there are basically 0 big digital players from the EU. Oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ time to sue the big US companies again.

Whatever, the faster this EU fails, the better.

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