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For musicians and devs, it's a good hint that Markov chains are "good enough" for most interesting music applications, ML/AI doesn't typically yield better results. Happy to see this on the front page!

I don't disagree with this observation, but I wanted to mention a counterpoint. Eno's "Music for Airports" famously uses a system of multiple tape loops that produce sequences of different periods. As you listen, you can hear phrases that occur nearly together and then later, well-separated in time, as the periods of these loops go in and out of phase: "One of the notes repeats every 23 1/2 seconds. It is in fact a l…

There was an interview with Eno in Wired in 1995 [1] that i still think about sometimes. Amongst other things, he talks about lifting himself to the next meta-level of composition, where he doesn't write music, he writes rules for a box which makes music:

Q: If I could give you a black box that could do anything, what would you have it do?

A: I would love to have a box onto which I could offload choice making. A thing that makes choices about its outputs, and says to itself, This is a good output, reinforce that, or replay it, or feed it back in. I would love to have this machine stand for me. I could program this box to be my particular taste and interest in things.

Q: Why do you want to do that? You have you.

A: Yes, I have me. But I want to be able to sell systems for making my music as well as selling pieces of music. In the future, you won't buy artists' works; you'll buy software that makes original pieces of "their" works, or that recreates their way of looking at things. You could buy a Shostakovich box, or you could buy a Brahms box. You might want some Shostakovich slow-movement-like music to be generated. So then you use that box. Or you could buy a Brian Eno box. So then I would need to put in this box a device that represents my taste for choosing pieces.

[1] https://www.wired.com/1995/05/eno-2/

Re: Generating More of My Favorite Aphex Twin Track

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure most of those tracks are not actually playable by a single person and that they're all programmed.

Many of the pieces are playable, like Avril 14th. There are a number of people [0] playing it on YouTube and I've been able to knock out a rendition as well. [0]: My favorite - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97FBWB4vv3s

That's pretty good but I don't think the higher octave stuff near the end is spot on. This is not playable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uhTwxqE4Co

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Has this guy never heard of a bar or measure? Reading through the first section where he describes the song as sections of 16 beats makes me cringe, and this is coming from someone admittedly horrible with music theory.

Edit: I was turned off by his constant usage of the word “beats”, not phrase.

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For musicians and devs, it's a good hint that Markov chains are "good enough" for most interesting music applications, ML/AI doesn't typically yield better results. Happy to see this on the front page!

> it's a good hint that Markov chains are "good enough" for most interesting music applications, ML/AI doesn't typically yield better results

Are Markov chains not considered ML/AI? I would consider them to be a standard part of the field

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Has this guy never heard of a bar or measure? Reading through the first section where he describes the song as sections of 16 beats makes me cringe, and this is coming from someone admittedly horrible with music theory. Edit: I was turned off by his constant usage of the word “beats”, not phrase.

Actually, a phrase is a common term in music theory.

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For musicians and devs, it's a good hint that Markov chains are "good enough" for most interesting music applications, ML/AI doesn't typically yield better results. Happy to see this on the front page!

I don't disagree with this observation, but I wanted to mention a counterpoint. Eno's "Music for Airports" famously uses a system of multiple tape loops that produce sequences of different periods. As you listen, you can hear phrases that occur nearly together and then later, well-separated in time, as the periods of these loops go in and out of phase: "One of the notes repeats every 23 1/2 seconds. It is in fact a l…

> What I mean is they all repeat in cycles that are called incommensurable — they are not likely to come back into sync again.

I remember a few years back there was some quick guide to visual design that I saw that recommended this. To provide what appeared to be randomness over repeating samples (or at least prevent easy pattern matching in the brain which is distracting), take three images that can of different prime number lengths, then repeat each one and put them next to each other.

I believe the example used was the ruffles in a stage curtain, where there were a few layers. Each layer was a repeating image of length 3, then length 5, then length 7 (but the image itself had some variations between ruffles within it). You won't get a point where all the images all stop and start at the same point (a dead giveaway of the pattern) until length 105.

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Has this guy never heard of a bar or measure? Reading through the first section where he describes the song as sections of 16 beats makes me cringe, and this is coming from someone admittedly horrible with music theory. Edit: I was turned off by his constant usage of the word “beats”, not phrase.

Phrase is actually the appropriate term. A bar would be 4 beats (for this song, which is in 4/4). The main phrase of the melody is 4 bars long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase_(music)

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Has this guy never heard of a bar or measure? Reading through the first section where he describes the song as sections of 16 beats makes me cringe, and this is coming from someone admittedly horrible with music theory. Edit: I was turned off by his constant usage of the word “beats”, not phrase.

Phrase is actually the appropriate term. A bar would be 4 beats (for this song, which is in 4/4). The main phrase of the melody is 4 bars long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase_(music)

Good point. I miswrote the original comment, anyways, I meant beats.

I thought a bar is 4 beats, a measure is 4 bars (in 4/4)? Going to have to look this up but is measure == phrase == section? Or I guess, a section can be arbitrary number of bars depending on song structure.

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On a side note, saw a nice write-up celebrating the recent 25th anniversary of Selected Ambient Works Volume II: https://www.residentadvisor.net/reviews/23648 I feel like that album has a lot of potential for generative experiments. Admittedly, the album has an over-arching tone of eeriness throughout, which isn't something I want to listen to while I work most days. Maybe it would be inspiring to game developers wor…

One thing I like to do is combine the tracks from each disc, so I listen to order like track 1, 13, 2, 14, etc. Most of the beginning tracks are less creepy.

Also there is a "missing" 19 track you can preview on his site: https://aphextwin.warp.net/release/68148-aphex-twin-selected....

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