European Parliament approves copyright reform • Hacker News Board

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Funes- » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:03 PM UTC

stronglikedan wrote: post #212

Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

> Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. For now, but where will it stop (or will it)? Another commentor pointed out that even small services running ads to pay for hosting could be considered "for-profit". Maybe not now, but it's just a matter of when. First they came for the platforms run by big corporations...

>Another commentor pointed out that even small services running ads to pay for hosting could be considered "for-profit"

If those small services' main purpose is "enabling users to upload and share a large amount of copyright-protected content with the purpose of obtaining profit from that activity", then they are turning a profit from copyright infringement, whether it is to pay for their hosting or not, so they will be targeted, as the document establishes. That's my take on it, at least, but I think it is quite clear.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:04 PM UTC

geff82 wrote: post #22

stuaxo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you moving to ?

Switzerland is the current plan. It will enable me to keep my business in Germany while not living in CrazyLand myself. I also considered USA and Canada, yet this would mean more problems (at least at the beginning). I am quite familiar with Switzerland and I appreciate their special political system a lot.

If you want to move out of the sphere of influence of the copyright cartels you're going to have to achieve escape velocity at some point. Those places where copyright infringement is not going to result in repercussions are generally not worth living in.

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Post by lagadu » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:05 PM UTC

TomMarius wrote: post #145

rzwitserloot wrote: post #106

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But it does. "Persona", etymologically, means 'mask' (Per = through, Sonare = Speak. As in, 'the thing you speak through', context: Plays and such, where you'd wear a mask). But I doubt you'd have any luck telling Merriam and Webster to update the definition of 'Persona' and mention only the mask thing. Words mean what the majority thinks they mean. Democracy as a word has been used as a word that means, mostly, that…

No, the representatives have a moral and lawful obligation to act in the interest of the people they represent; that is the principle that is holding representative democracy together. They did not do that this time and that is why it feels anti-democratic.

> They did not do that this time

Because you decided they didn't?

Elections are coming up pretty soon, if they really didn't then the vast majority of them are getting voted out in what will surely be the greatest upheaval in the history of the EU; which of course won't happen because hundreds of millions of us do feel that we're being correctly represented.

protip: just because you got outvoted, it doesn't mean that democracy isn't working correctly.

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Post by mcjiggerlog » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:05 PM UTC

swebs wrote: post #232

ralala wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This also affects small online communities, who pay for their servers by running a few ads. There are a lot of these platforms.

How small are we talking here? They could switch to a donation model to bypass it. A Linode 1GB is only $5 a month.

Unless you're a registered charity donations are income.

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Post by raubtier » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:05 PM UTC

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

The built-in error with democracy is that the politicians have the incentive to be re-elected. Therefore, they will use all available resources to try to satisfy enough before the next election. This makes the decisions they make become extremely short-term, often a time horizon of less than 4 years. A pretty good indication of this is to check on the sovereign debt in all democratic countries. You borrow money to finance reforms, the purpose of which is to get yourself re-elected. Likewise, the political class has strong incentives for the public part of society to grow. Then they secure their own and the sin's survival. A good indication that it is to look at the development of taxes and regulations that over time only increases. There is no currently relevant opposition to this. Every problem discussed has basically all the same solution; some type of public effort.

If you allow yourself to think about this logically, you realize that it is not a viable way, a country needs a long-term perspective. Every decision made in one country must be beneficial for that country in the long term. You have to manage something that your children and grandchildren should live in and it should be in better condition than when you took over it yourself. This is actually obvious. Making decisions at the expense of one's children and grandchildren is unreasonable.

Right now, the whole Western world is actually living on what our ancestors have created, and they lived in times where it was obvious that they did better for future generations. Today we burn it at both ends. Of course, a system that prizes laziness and short-sightedness and punishes fitness and diligence cannot be long-lived. The future will look at the present as a very strange parenthesis in the history of the West. That is, f we do not go under.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:05 PM UTC

stronglikedan wrote: post #212

Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

> Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. For now, but where will it stop (or will it)? Another commentor pointed out that even small services running ads to pay for hosting could be considered "for-profit". Maybe not now, but it's just a matter of when. First they came for the platforms run by big corporations...

Copyright enforcement has always been about going after big abuses. With some incredibly rare exceptions, generally speaking, nobody has ever been at serious risk for sending one copy of a movie or music CD to a friend. There is too much sharing and too many individual parties to chase after every way people technically violate copyright law.

Many of the cases out there involved people sharing on a large scale. Examples like The Pirate Bay or Sci-Hub or Aaron Swartz, which involve distribution of large amounts of content to large numbers of people.

The smaller the platform, the less anyone will care about it, even if it is distributing a little bit of copyrighted content. Small scale copyright violation is so widespread, and the benefits of fighting individual cases of it so small, that there's simply no value to taking it on and they aren't bothering.

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Post by I_am_tiberius » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:06 PM UTC

anoncake wrote: post #196

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #116

Humanity did not change since WW2. The one big difference is/was the Internet. Without a free Internet, who knows what happens. It is unbelievable.

TIL World War II ended in 1969, at the earliest.

Maybe I did not explain myself enough. What I'm saying is that if a free Internet existed during WW2, resistance would have been able to communicate and collaborate. Moreover, people would have had access to both, propaganda news and real news.

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Post by selimthegrim » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:06 PM UTC

nicc wrote: post #233

paganel wrote: post #130

> France’s current batch of national politicians have consistently advocated for the worst parts of the Directive, and the Macron administration may seek to grab an early win for the country’s media establishment. Macron is a crook. If any other president from any other civilized country would have sent the military to guard against its citizens' street protests [1] then that president would have been (rightly) calle…

In Europe it's normal to use the military for a variety of reasons. Specially since military draft was made voluntary, in Italy the military are used to walk around at train stations, help out in case of protests, etc. Actually, in Italy we have two institutions that are seen as "police": Police and Carabinieri. Carabinieri are exactly the same, but they're part of the military. As for: > Macron is still seen by a la…

What does his personal life have to do with the point you’re making? Why is it that right wingers want it both ways - Tucker Carlson thinks it’s not a big deal and presumably you don’t too until the male involved grows up and actually holds power.

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Post by omnimus » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:06 PM UTC

yulaow wrote: post #133

piokoch wrote: post #39

I am curious how this will affect Brexit. At some point it looked like public opinion in UK leaned against it. Right now it seems that EU is ready to pass any law which is pushed by a powerful lobby, even if this law is not the most well-thought idea like Article 11 and 13. This does not make EU better place to be in. In fact if Germany and France agree on something, this going to happen. I don't think that UK will a…

If I remember correctly UK was actually a strong proposer for this kind of legislation

Exactly let's not forget it's the UK who is part of five eyes and is generaly on the antiprivacy opinion side in europe.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Gudahtt » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:06 PM UTC

Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

Not all for-profit websites are run by big corporations. The companies you're describing here are also the ones that will find it easiest to comply with these new regulations. YouTube for example was already pressured to create a filtering system, ContentID. Behemoths like Facebook will have a far easier time adapting than your typical startup.

Article 13 dooms smaller companies and startups, thus further entrenching these big corporations. There was a provision added to Article 13 to protect "small and medium-sized enterprises", but according to the EFF [0] this "protection" is fatally flawed. It only protects them for 3 years, or until they attain 5 million unique visitors, or until they attain annual revenues (not profits) of €10 million.

That's not to mention that the exceptions for not-for-profit services also has been regarded as vague, which could be problematic.