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A guide to difficult conversations

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Re: A guide to difficult conversations

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That's the key I think. Appreciated. By putting your universal needs on the same level (not your "self"), you are in effect appealing to principle, so there is likely a great deal of alignment between the methods as described. Looking forward to reading up more on this. Thank you.

Hey, just wanna point out your commenting style is tremendously good. Somehow each one has all the ingredients of a great comment for a discussion. Thanks for the effort!

That's a kind observation. If I worked for you that would be really satisfying to hear...

This is why it's important to be conscientious about spirals of passive aggression with this communication style. Mastering it is mastery, trying is, well, doing it wrong. Great thread.

Re: A guide to difficult conversations

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Which of them became good therapists? I know programmers how hated parts of school and are bad programmers. And some who are great programmers...

That's not really a reasonable question to ask. Even if I were still connected with those people, I'd have no idea how to rank their skills as professional therapists? I can, however, speak to my girlfriend's skills. She's incredible. And when she talks about NVC, she's far less charitable than OP.

It takes time.

It's only after you have a few big unrecoverable screwups in life, will some of this stuff make more sense.

You are better off being aware and not understanding its value, than not being aware at all of NVC.

Once you hit an issue where you find yourself automatically avoiding things, attacking someone or defending yourself and producing all kinds of misery, just remind yourself that there is another tool available. And then pick up the book. You will find value.

Re: A guide to difficult conversations

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It's funny because few things make me seethe like someone talking to me in this way during a high stress moment. The artifice is transparent and if the conversation is tense the tone is quite easy to read as condescension. I'm hardly dismissing NVC as a tactic, just that when done poorly it's worse than simply being direct.

What I've found - in high emotion situations people need express that emotion before they start listening, and they need to know that emotion is being heard.

This is tough. Sometimes people need a lot of prodding to start expressing a strong emotion because it invites judgement. It's kind of the end of artifice - 'this is who I am and what I'm really feeling'

Also, I find it exhausting to deal with high emotion.

But once that's over with, folks are more open to hearing the 'feeling statements' and observations.

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And can't resist old NVC joke -

Person 1 - "I'm really mad! This is so unfair!"

Person 2 - "I FEEL your anger"

Person 1 - "Everything's so chaotic, I don't know what to do!"

Person 2 - "I FEEL your confusion"

Person 1 - "I've got a lot of shit going down in my life!"

Person 2 - "I FEEL your shit going down!"

Re: A guide to difficult conversations

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I got the same thing...immediately exited.

Surprised there isn't more of a brouhaha about it in the comments.

Re: A guide to difficult conversations

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post #14

It's funny because few things make me seethe like someone talking to me in this way during a high stress moment. The artifice is transparent and if the conversation is tense the tone is quite easy to read as condescension. I'm hardly dismissing NVC as a tactic, just that when done poorly it's worse than simply being direct.

Presenting this communication pattern as an effective "one size fits all" method is a pretty bad idea.

You have to "know your audience." This means you need to know your employees, bosses, or colleagues as people and work to understand what motivates them. This is challenging, risky, and requires an opening of the mind to not just understand different psychologies but to accept them as viable alternatives to your own.

NVC communication will be very effective for some and thoroughly ineffective for others, and if you know your audience you'll know which is which.

I'm an example of the latter: I absolutely despise the NVC communication pattern because very few people actually speak like this and when they do so it's an obvious deviation from their status quo. It feels fake because it is, and it feels fake because I know the pattern. It's like when I get "feel/felt/found"[1] from a salesperson...I know what they're doing and it's not going to work.

[1] http://www.tomhopkins.com/blog/presentation/the-feel-felt-fo...

Re: A guide to difficult conversations

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Yeah same for me. Forced to open in incognito mode. I wouldn't be surprised that the writer has no clue his content is being paywalled.

Re: A guide to difficult conversations

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I won't lie... NVC is really, really hard to achieve. But sometimes it's worth risking making mistakes to achieve your goal.

These three examples: >To a co-founder: ‘When you said, “I’m not happy with your work,” to me in front of the team, I felt embarrassed because it didn’t meet my need for trust and recognition. Please, could we set up a weekly one-on-one session to share feedback in private?’ >To an investor: ‘I haven’t received any responses from the last three monthly updates. I’m feeling concerned because I need input. Please, woul…

> >To a teammate: ‘You arrived 10 minutes late to the last three team meetings. I am frustrated because, as a team, we have a need for efficiency. Please, could you help me understand what’s happening?’

> This one is super passive aggressive. Your intention is to communicate a problem but instead of just doing that this is asking a question. I think this example shows the problem most clearly. These should be statements and not questions. I mean, do you really want or expect an honest answer to the question? Because it's probably something along the lines of "I think these meetings are a waste of my time".

+1 to this. I get the point that the OP was trying to make and think it's valid, but the specific phrasing provided would likely cause more harm than good in many cases. Specifically, it comes across more as "you better come up with a good excuse or you're in trouble" than "I care about you and hope everything is OK, and am here to help if there's a fixable problem at the root of your lateness".

Re: A guide to difficult conversations

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post #14

It's funny because few things make me seethe like someone talking to me in this way during a high stress moment. The artifice is transparent and if the conversation is tense the tone is quite easy to read as condescension. I'm hardly dismissing NVC as a tactic, just that when done poorly it's worse than simply being direct.

Meh, anything labelled "non-violent" is bound to be an ineffective waste of time. Pass.

Re: A guide to difficult conversations

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I've also heard good things about "The Art of Hard Conversations: Biblical Tools for the Tough Talks That Matter" [0] and "Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most" [1].

Can anyone comment on the relative merits of these articles' / books' approaches?

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Art-Hard-Conversations-Biblical-Matte...

[1] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0143118447/ref=oh_aui_sear...

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