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I agree we are already exposed to this problem. Visa and Mastercard already make judgments about whom to support and whom to disallow. This is dangerous, especially because they are willing to succumb to the Internet outrage machine and pressure from loud activist groups to make these decisions. When a platform is large enough (or has to be inherently large due to network effects), we should ensure (through regulatio…

They isn't any neutrality, at least in the US. We've watched Visa/Mastercard/Paypal and others take down people they politically disagree with. Look at Paypal + Patreon for another example. What's currently in the pipes to help fix this? Sure you can always support someone by mailing them a money order or cryptocurrency, but that is a huge hindrance to most people. It can cripple groups that are political unpopular.…

Personally, I think we need to have state intervention.

The American finance and payment systems are a Rube Goldberg machine. Too many layers of middlemen adding cost and clunkiness; technology which was barely a good idea in the 1970s. But too many middlemen with a stake in it for anything but the state to blow it out.

I could imagine a system where everyone got a basic bank account for life-- each SSN and EIN is also an account number. The account is managed by the state as a public service, and you can assign it to a local brick-and-mortar bank to handle in-person banking. There would presumably be competition for the business.

That way, everyone would have guaranteed access to direct-deposit payroll and ACH-style-but-less-of-a-boondoggle electronic funds transfers. Push and pull payment APIs could be part of the state provided system, with enormous economies of scale driving the transaction price to essentially zero. Since the underlying service is state-run, it has to support any legal business purpose or the courts will shred it.

The financial tech sector is then freed from having to reinvent basic transfers and accounts again and again, and can focus on value-add services.

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Curious, what does that mean "risky google"? If you're avoiding seeing some graphic images, that makes sense. If you're avoiding searching it because of implications for google's tracking profile about you and how it might then rebalance future searches, then that's a pretty upsetting reflection on google / tech status quo, and fairly on-topic here. We shouldn't be afraid to seek knowledge like from a library, becaus…

Exactly the latter

As far as I know, there is no evidence that Google tracks or records anything in incognito mode.

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Look no further than the recent issue where Patreon competitor Subscribestar had payment processors Stripe and PayPal stop processing their payments for _political_ disagreements with the purported beneficiaries of the donations through the platform. PayPal said that it was actually one of the underlying payment processors, and it was suspected to be MasterCard. That incident was the first time I've ever taken the ne…

I’ve been told political campaigns focused on MC/Visa forced a policy change on Fetlife (specifically which kinks you’re allowed to admit to being into) a few years back. I’m not into the kink which caused it (and I won’t repeat it here) but that left a bad taste in my mouth. IMO, people should be free to discuss what they’re into, even when it’s something much more harmful than the kink involved.

How about if they’re into pedophelia?

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300 of those are Apple getting too much power and stepping into your payment. And Needs to break up Apple or Google or Amazon or whatever. Not sure why it matters as this is not Apple's first CC, they have had Barclaycard Visa with Apple Rewards as told in the 2nd Section Comment.

200 of those are Apple Card not having the best Rebate, as there are many other cards offering much higher rebate with no annual fees. I mean seriously, did anyone expect Apple to offer the best Rebate Card? No one is mentioning You are basically trading around 1% of your Spending discount for your privacy and Data. Along with better Financial Planning from your Data on Devices.

100 of those are about Visa / Master having duopoly and getting all the money. Well there are actually lots of other companies, transaction fees, cost and Interchange fees involves and Fraud Protection.

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This is interesting to observe from the UK. - Cashback is generally lower here because interchange fees are regulated/capped to 0.3% for personal credit cards and 0.2% for personal debit cards. Offers of 2% cashback simply won't work outside the US so I'll be curious to see how (if?) they try and expand this globally. - "All of the spending tracking and other information is stored directly on the device, not Apple’s…

> - Cashback is generally lower here because interchange fees are regulated/capped to 0.3% for personal credit cards and 0.2% for personal debit cards. Offers of 2% cashback simply won't work outside the US so I'll be curious to see how (if?) they try and expand this globally. How does that work for US-based cards used outside of the US? I definitely don't lose my rebate while in other countries.

The bank/CC provider most likely just eats it and blocks your card when you are overdoing it. The losses are very likely negligible for the average consumer that is outside of the US maybe once in their life.

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Whatever the potential additions for Apple's service revenue, this seems like it will be a highly effective weapon to add to the arsenal for customer retention.

Switching to an Android phone at your next phone upgrade cycle will be a lot harder if it also means you need to switch your credit card. Plus, giving users a better rewards rate for using Apple Pay over the physical credit card will encourage them to build the habit of paying with their actual iPhone (and as a follow on effect, probably help encourage further Apple Pay adoption among merchants).

Smart defensive move as device manufacturers face an ever more saturated market.

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And people still wonder what problem cryptocurrencies tries to solve.

No, people are wondering why cryptocurrencies haven't actually solved anything yet.

How so cryptocurrencies haven't solved anything? If someone has done a transaction with cryptocurrencies that brings value to him, isn't that solving something? Your claim is just very probably totally untrue - I think Bitcoin etc have been very useful for some small group of people for quite a long time already. However the adoption just isn't that big. Somehow people seem to think that cryptocurrencies have to replace the existing financial system to be useful. Meanwhile they can be just be used by 100 people worldwide and still be useful.

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This is interesting to observe from the UK. - Cashback is generally lower here because interchange fees are regulated/capped to 0.3% for personal credit cards and 0.2% for personal debit cards. Offers of 2% cashback simply won't work outside the US so I'll be curious to see how (if?) they try and expand this globally. - "All of the spending tracking and other information is stored directly on the device, not Apple’s…

From a UK perspective this card doesn’t make much sense as Monzo or Revolut are probably way better products. For the US there is pretty much zero competitors as banks are stuck in the past. As for storing transactions on device only, there’s probably an encrypted backup on iCloud.

We've got Simple which is pretty similar to Monzo AFIACT.

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No, people are wondering why cryptocurrencies haven't actually solved anything yet.

I always assumed that cryptocurrencies is exactly how SubscribeStar has solved it for their audience (if you mean "people" in general, them most of them aren't wondering about anything because they don't consider it a problem to begin with, at least until something they care about gets consistently censored). So I went and looked up their payment options. And sure enough, they have a page on that. Which has the follo…

It is quite a complex topic. For example there are credit card processing companies for cryptocurrency related companies, but they have very stricter customer onboarding processes and also higher fees. For many banks who target mainstream customers it is just easier to block all customers who deal with cryptocurrencies than to create specialized producst/risk management/compliance processes for them.
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