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Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

sucky.ninja

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Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

#281
It's worse in FB.

"We detected suspicious behaviour in your account. Please send a copy of your ID to prove your identity. We promise we'll delete the image of your ID within 30 days." [0]

Yeah, right! They'll delete the image, but will still have the data...

So now I have a FB account I would like to delete, but cannot, because I cannot log into it. Should I just believe in GDPR, unblock my account and request for total deletion of data about me?

[0] Obviously not a citation. Just paraphrasing

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

#282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Invest in your content moderators and in tools to track and trace them. Very few firms seem to have any interest in how or why they are selected by abusers or in the dynamics of the abuse that takes place on their platform. People pointing out abuse are usually treated as an annoyance, when in fact they may have considerable knowledge about the bad actors exploiting the service. A very low-cost approach suitable for…

What if it's not a content site? But abuse of "free" resources/trials?

Then you can adjust the meaning of my comment to encompass that. I'm not trying to describe all conceivable use cases.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

#285

Going by the number of Spam SMSs I get, I know that my mobile number is already out there in hundreds of databases. I don't get this "I won't give my number" thing. Your number is already out there and is being sold as part of a list all the time.

I know for a fact some people had the wherewithal to not disclose their phone number to everyone who asked and therefore do not have your particular breed of problems. Your outright dismissal of their right to privacy is therefore tenuous at best, as it's founded on a premise that is untrue.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

#286
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter knows what IP you connect from, which might easily be through a VPN. The flip side of low-friction authentication is epidemic abuse by trolls, which arguably damages Twitter's brand. Unfortunately, most people simply don't understand the implications of any of this. Well, so you say.

>> epidemic abuse by trolls, I am soo tried of hearing this excuse for mass censorship First of it MASSIVELY over used to the point where people call anyone that disagrees with them "a troll" or a bot. Twitter is hurting their own brand by their obvious political bias and selective enforcement of rules largely dependent on outrage mobs to "report" rule violations. Like real names policies before it, these types of "v…

Having to provide a phone number isn't mass censorship.

Twitter is hurting their own brand by their obvious political bias and selective enforcement of rules largely dependent on outrage mobs to "report" rule violations.

Like real names policies before it, these types of "verification" scheme do little to curb actual abuse, and in many cases shuts out moderate voices

Guess what, I just reported a guy with 106k followers that is inciting thousands of them to get ready for mass hangings of their political enemies "at a scale which will rock this world for 100 years" with gruesomely detailed threats against specific individuals. A self-professed adherent of the same conspiracy theory/cult committed a murder in New York just a week or two ago.

But I'm the bad guy in this scenario for saying that organizing murder might violate the Terms of Service.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

#287

Going by the number of Spam SMSs I get, I know that my mobile number is already out there in hundreds of databases. I don't get this "I won't give my number" thing. Your number is already out there and is being sold as part of a list all the time.

Some of us don’t get any spam SMS, never have gotten any, and want to keep it that way.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

#290
Requiring a phone number causes problems and, depending on the situation, is easily bypassed by a determined bot author. [see other comments in this thread] It is also ineffective at preventing people from posting rude, misguided, or hateful comments (people post terrible crap under their own name on Twitter/etc all the time).

Bad actors causing problems on a globally-accessible platform is not a new problem. Multiplayer games from MUDs to the modern MMORPG have several decades of experience with the problem[1]. Most attempts at fixing the problem don't work, because they are don't guarantee the bad actor has to pay what they perceive to be a large cost. Unless the incentives are fixed, bad actors will continue to be a problem.

(I'm summarizing; for as much better explanation, see Raph Koster's talk[1])

Cost does not mean money or anything that is widely available (like a phone number). Credit card numbers are trivial to change, and phone numbers are cheap. The cost to the potential bad actor has to be something they don't want to pay. In an MMORPG, deleting the high-level character that someone spent 20+ hours leveling up hurts a lot more than having to provide a (potentially new) phone or credit card number.

To make a serious punishment like character deletion legitimate, there needs to be some sort of publicly visible due process of law involved before it can be used. That means being informed of the specific accusations instead of Google-style banning for unspecified TOS violations. That means a legitimate appeals process that doesn't simply send appeals to /dev/null or handed to the accuser to judge if the appeal is legitimate (like YouTube's content_id (not DMCA) takedowns).

How could this work on something like Twitter? Banning a troll only forces them to make a new account (a minor expense). Hiding all of their comments for a while (or eventually deleting them if the bad behavior continues) denies the troll the fruits of their misbehavior.

Of course, bots and bad actors is only part of the reason Twitter wants a phone number. Without a Ulysses pact[2] binding their future behavior, Twitter is free to continue acting as a surveillance capitalist[3].

[1] https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1024060/Still-Logged-In-What-A... (everybody developing anything involved (directly or indirectly) with the internet should watch this talk)

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlN6wjeCJYk ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_pact )

[3] http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/shoshana-zuboff-q-and...

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