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Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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OP doesn't like single entities having so much power, so OP increases the power of a single entity.

Google et al. might want to take heed anyway. This all reminds me of a quote I love from the Dark Knight movie: "You squeezed them, you hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to a man they didn't fully understand."

Yeah, I don't think that taking policy advice from movie quotes is a good idea...

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Apple doesn't automate it and it's difficult to make a case that it's better. They've certainly made errors and bad decisions. So... I'm not sure automation is to blame. What's more, you could make an argument that any process will have an observable error rate at scale. Would we be having a different conversation in a different universe where this same post exists, but Google didn't automate? I'm not so sure. > Crea…

> Uh, minimum wage is $15 in most places No, it definitely is not: https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state...

You're right. Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that.

But the rest stands, you're not going to be able to source that work. We already have seen how moderation ends up being done because it's essentially awful work prone to abuse. This is why Americans like to pretend it's done by algorithms while it's actually done by people in Filipino cybercafes.

And it's not even remotely clear to me that that'll do better than Apple does with more trained staff.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Can we sue Google when they do things like this? No single entity should wield this much power. And we should rewrite the laws to make this so. Google and Apple wanted to be in the role of gatekeeper, so they should be beholden to the apps on their platform. We had a web where developers were in control of their own deployment. Everything was decentralized and required responsibility and diligence. Now the power is o…

Imagine you started a really cool walled garden, invited everybody over, and they all enjoy it. Then you kick out a few trolls, and one of them thinks that the government should come in and forcibly allow the trolls back in.

It's my garden, my choice. You are still allowed to publish your app on the web.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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These guys, if this is what they do, are the enemy.

I guess when the general populace realises we may get mass defection from this hostile, mindlessness. Before that you may be randomly screwed.

There's always the possibility that having no ads was the actual crime, and they cooked up evidence.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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> Before Google and Apple, I didn't have this problem. I didn't have to pay their tax or march to their beat. You still don't! You don't have the play by their rules, and you can still target everyone who has a non-Google or non-Apple phone, which as a target market is appreciably no one, much as it was before Google and Apple entered the phone market. You can target them if they have phones produced by your hated ma…

Google still has complete control over how well your web app is ranked in search results and they change rules and criteria all of the time, sometimes with little notice. Google search console is infuriatingly vague. Google is inescapable and opaque and I’m glad politicians are finally seeing these entities as monopoly powers that need to be addressed. They have a monopoly market share in web search and mobile device…

You seriously overestimate their both their automated and manual control if you think they are capable of passive aggressive actions to non-entities. They closest they can come is hiding autosuggest when too many people complain or it becomes too sensitive like say "Ted Cruz Zodiac Killer".

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Googles field is also full of weeds, and litter. And it's guards are fairly inept.

But it’s the field everyone plays on. What are you going to do. Play by yourself?

I'm not sure how that's relevant to the point that Google Play is full of malware.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Please, you engineer, do your best to make the app usable from a browser. I dislike apps. Sometimes they make sense. Fine. Often, they do not, or offer less functionality than PC or web does. If you need payment, make that easy, same. Cancel easy too. Just because that is nice, and we all could use nice. You like nice, I like nice. Let us be nice. If you need profanity, whatever, I get it. Let's be adults. I don't li…

I happen to prefer the exactly opposite - I don't want to run the browser (or a browser-wrapper), I want app to be native. Websites lack solid, consistent and platform-native look-and-feel. They are always limited, they aren't integrated with the operating system (i.e. task switcher), they are slow on almost anything (because modern web browsers are ugly giant behemoths. I've recently built myself a very beefy machin…

Both are just fine.

For me, on mobile, it takes a LOT to bother with an app. Any alternative, even close to reasonable, gets the nod every time.

On a PC, this is less of an issue. Applications will often have great, or superior functionality. No worries.

On mobile? No. The opposite is nearly always true.

Should have been clear.

As for solid platform look and feel... depends there too. If the UX is really optimized for the task, I will take it. Have used so many now. Almost non issue there.

Generally I dislike app stores. This favors PC too.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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> Before Google and Apple, I didn't have this problem. I didn't have to pay their tax or march to their beat. You still don't! You don't have the play by their rules, and you can still target everyone who has a non-Google or non-Apple phone, which as a target market is appreciably no one, much as it was before Google and Apple entered the phone market. You can target them if they have phones produced by your hated ma…

> back to a time that never existed Personal PCs were just this back in the 90's and 00's. Microsoft tried to create a walled garden, but it failed due to the world wide web . Google and Apple saw how Microsoft failed and decided that the app store would be a first class citizen on day one and that the mobile web [1] would be an afterthought. They learned from Microsoft's mistake and used their positions to make app…

I think you are accidentally retconning current status quo onto the past - early mobile internet was terrible, low bandwidth enough that mobile was about /fitting/ the page down the pipe instead of user interface, and also expensive with far lesser adoption such that wifi-only tablets/PDAs were more of a thing.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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Can we sue Google when they do things like this? No single entity should wield this much power. And we should rewrite the laws to make this so. Google and Apple wanted to be in the role of gatekeeper, so they should be beholden to the apps on their platform. We had a web where developers were in control of their own deployment. Everything was decentralized and required responsibility and diligence. Now the power is o…

> Can we sue Google when they do things like this? No single entity should wield this much power. Of course you can. This is America and anybody can sue anybody for anything (with few exceptions). Winning the suit is another matter. Unless you have smoking-gun evidence of discrimination or some such, I'd say the case would be DOA. Of course, the costs of the suit would likely be prohibitive as well. I don't think tha…

This is why class action lawsuits exist.

Re: Google removed my ads-free app for “deceptive ads”

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post #8

Can we sue Google when they do things like this? No single entity should wield this much power. And we should rewrite the laws to make this so. Google and Apple wanted to be in the role of gatekeeper, so they should be beholden to the apps on their platform. We had a web where developers were in control of their own deployment. Everything was decentralized and required responsibility and diligence. Now the power is o…

> No single entity should wield this much power. And we should rewrite the laws to make this so. I think in fact a lot of people do want them to do this. Folks complain the Play store is full of malware and spam, and that there are data leaks and deceptive ads. Then Google or Apple goes and removes them, and then folks are mad if that process has errors. It seems like a business where you make everyone mad no matter…

sounds like a great time to make it a matter of legal compliance; that way, they can always blame the government for how it's done.
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