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Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Post by bskap » Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

takeda wrote: post #34

joecool1029 wrote: post #20

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LTE's initial iterations were actually not considered 4G by definition. Part of the longterm evolution part was that as the components were upgraded they would comply with 4G. I can break 100mbps down in a few places on an iphone SE with only a cat3 modem, but that's pushing the spec's real-world limit for that. Today these speeds are easily achievable on most networks, it's just unlikely for AT&T due to congestion a…

I was about to say that it was mostly Sprint and (again) AT&T advertising 3G as 4G, and for example Verizon had real 4G from the start. But now as I think, I remember that Verizon had 4G that was capped to about 1mbps in certain areas and then gradually speed increased per area.

That was a bit of a mess. Technically, no carrier at the time had a "real" 4G network, according to the ITU- only LTE-Advanced and WiMAX 2 met their definition.

Since the ITU had declared that Sprint's WiMAX network and Verizon's LTE network weren't real 4G, T-Mobile decided that they could call their (just-as-fast-as-early-LTE-networks) HSPA+ network 4G too, and then AT&T was almost forced to follow suit because T-Mobile was advertising how their 4G network was so much bigger than everyone else's.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Post by joecool1029 » Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 6:14 PM UTC

bskap wrote: post #111

takeda wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was about to say that it was mostly Sprint and (again) AT&T advertising 3G as 4G, and for example Verizon had real 4G from the start. But now as I think, I remember that Verizon had 4G that was capped to about 1mbps in certain areas and then gradually speed increased per area.

That was a bit of a mess. Technically, no carrier at the time had a "real" 4G network, according to the ITU- only LTE-Advanced and WiMAX 2 met their definition. Since the ITU had declared that Sprint's WiMAX network and Verizon's LTE network weren't real 4G, T-Mobile decided that they could call their (just-as-fast-as-early-LTE-networks) HSPA+ network 4G too, and then AT&T was almost forced to follow suit because T-M…

It should be noted that T-Mobile was the only one set up to deploy DC-HSPA+ at 42mbps peak theoretical. Scratching around 30mbps was around what Verizon could do before congestion set in on band 13. AT&T to the best of my knowledge only had HSPA+ at 21mbps, so it really was way more of a stretch for them to call their network 4G.

So at least, yeah... tmo kinda could have argued it was similar to early '4G' radio technologies on speed alone.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Post by Spectral » Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 10:43 PM UTC

Dirtbag AT&T always doing shady stuff like this. Wouldn't be surprised if someone proposed this and execs signed it off as a great idea because the revenue from the additional signups was determined to be greater than the expected fines.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Post by Spectral » Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 10:49 PM UTC

blihp wrote: post #97

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #96

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Fuck everything, we're doing 7G.

For those who don't get the reference: https://www.theonion.com/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-bla...

Lol this onion article was posted in '04 and what do you know, Gillette is actually up to 5 blades and 2 strips - "Fusion5"

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Post by JoshGlazebrook » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:02 AM UTC

joecool1029 wrote: post #99

JoshGlazebrook wrote: post #94

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No. Most unlimited plans start deprioritization after 22GB.

It's 50GB now. I've been digging into how they do it as I'm a casual user of a few hundred GB/mo on both T-Mobile and Sprint. From what I can see and from the Sprint CTO's comments, the deprioritization happens on radio layer working on slices of around 30ms. If you are near cell edge, the scheduler will assign you less physical resource blocks. This deprioritization will affect you much less if you are near the towe…

Ah, Verizon is still 22GB for the "new verizon unlimited plan" and "Beyond unlimited". "Above unlimited" is 75GB, and "Go unlimited" deprioritization is possible from the start.

I'm still on the "new verizon unlimited plan" which is the same that "beyond unlimited" provides, just at a cheaper price.