Watched a great documentary on Netflix called `Stink!` that was about all the crap found in all sorts of products under the hidden phrase "fragrance" (or in some cases, "parfum"). All sorts of chemicals you've never heard of to make those garbage bags smell like apple orchards. Very informative and, if you're like me and are constantly panicked that everything's trying to kill you, I recommend it.
More Than 90% of Americans Have Pesticides or Their Byproducts in Their Bodies
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>All sorts of chemicals you've never heard of Is that supposed to be a meaningful measure of anything at all?
Not OP, but on a tangent, if I find chemicals renamed, I get extremely suspicious about the other ingredients. Some obvious examples, aqua = water, sucrose = sugar, or one of the many numbered ingredients etc. It indicates to me that the supplier are deceptive in manipulating the important information for consumers.
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Well, so here's the other side of the coin-- nobody actually has any idea what's definitely safe. Do you trust that because the EPA has put a number on a chemical that it can't be wrong? Why don't you guess what percent of the time when the EPA calls an exposure level safe does it go back and change its mind and decide it wasn't safe after all? Also, why are you confident the EPA knows all the long-term biological an…
> Well, so here's the other side of the coin-- nobody actually has any idea what's definitely safe. I'm going to disagree with that. I think there is a great deal of information available on what is and is not safe, available to those who will look. I think it is a gross overstatement that nobody has any idea what's definitely safe. Is that data perfect? No. But the data I'm able to find seems to have been workable s…
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Bodies have evolved to deal with crap substances through metabolism and excretion, so it just has to be Good Enough. If you live to 85 and get cancer, by all means try and figure out how to deal with the cancer, but a positive mindset would also appreciate that you lived to 85.
> Bodies have evolved to deal with crap substances through metabolism and excretion, so it just has to be Good Enough. Bodies had no time to evolve to deal with modern pesticides. Any idea what time evolution takes to do what it does? > a positive mindset would also appreciate that you lived to 85. I think that's besides the point. Because that does not rule out that getting older i.e. losing from a disease later in…
Sure, some people can't handle lactose, they have different responses to booze, etc.
But, broadly, our bodies have much more general mechanisms to deal with contaminants, which is why our DNA is vastly simpler than plants that can't simply get up and move but must be able to survive in whatever toxins or pests are around them.
> I think that's besides the point.
> What if, consumers can add 5 years on average to our lives by eating exclusively organic produce...
Say it's smoking, since that probably is on the order of 5 years. No doubt, the smart thing to do is to quit. If you thought organic farming made cows happy, that's a good reason, too. If you think you benefit or you're doing something to make the world better, go for it, that makes sense.
What I noticed is you say "eating exclusively organic" and the GP wrote (sarcastically) "everything is perfect in modern food industry".
I think that binary view indicates an underlying assumption that our bodies must be pure, which dates back to the oldest religious practices; halal, kosher, etc.
That's not crazy, we should obviously keep ourselves clean and avoid poisonous stuff. But your body is a host to all kinds of relatively benign parasites, your own stomach ferments a tiny bit of alcohol, you're stuck eating and breathing in all kinds of crap.
And I think that's my dispute: the world isn't pure, nature isn't pure, our bodies aren't pure.
Which is why I'm more inclined to focus on the time I am alive than worry about a few extra years I could have squeezed out if I'd jumped on the latest health craze.
> ... should we not move on use this wisdom to kill off some cash cows for an ugly-ass "agrochemical and agricultural biotechnology corporation"?
If we can get the prices on organic food down to where we can feed cities without famines, sure.
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#155Re: More Than 90% of Americans Have Pesticides or Their Byproducts in Their Bodies
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https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/hea... Naturopathy (like most pseudo sciences) thrives on taking things undiagnosed and giving concrete answers. There likely isn't a person out there that wouldn't test positive for heavy metal poisoning. Go retest with a different naturopath. I'm almost certain you'll still test positive (even though they likely gave you a bunch of vitamins and herbs to cure…
I'm not sure what you're basing your opinion on, but I wasn't directly tested by a naturopath. You get a urine sample that's later shipped to an accredited lab and they provide you a detailed report with reference ranges, recommendations, and caveats. I don't know what other NDs are like, though I'm sure many make a living by overselling supplements.
Accredited by who?
> detailed report with reference ranges, recommendations, and caveats.
I can generate detailed reports. With references and ranges.
My point still stands, if you think what they are perscribing works, go get tested again with a different lab. More than likely you'll have just as negative a report come back with exactly the same recommendations.
Naturopathy is pseudoscience.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, so here's the other side of the coin-- nobody actually has any idea what's definitely safe. Do you trust that because the EPA has put a number on a chemical that it can't be wrong? Why don't you guess what percent of the time when the EPA calls an exposure level safe does it go back and change its mind and decide it wasn't safe after all? Also, why are you confident the EPA knows all the long-term biological an…
> Well, so here's the other side of the coin-- nobody actually has any idea what's definitely safe. I'm going to disagree with that. I think there is a great deal of information available on what is and is not safe, available to those who will look. I think it is a gross overstatement that nobody has any idea what's definitely safe. Is that data perfect? No. But the data I'm able to find seems to have been workable s…
It's not like the EPA does no testing, but what about the unknowns? For example, men's sperm counts have gone down 50% over the last 30 years and scientists have no solid explanation (despite >1000 journal articles on the topic).
Are you confident that pesticides play no role in this? Or autism? Or immune disorders?
The EPA doesn't even try do testing on long-term exposure to a low-dose of substances, which is exactly what is described in the article.
Calling the EPA "fallible humans" is laughable. The question is - is the EPA process systematically too trusting of new chemicals? I have my answer.
I recommend you start your education on this topic with "The precautionary principle." http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/91173/E8...
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It's actually common in startup founders who sell their startups and then start eating expensive sushi all the time. My understanding is that several billionaires in silicon valley have mild Parkinson's-like tremors because of this.
High end omakase meals generally come with 1 or 2 .5 oz pieces of tuna. Even at 3x a day it would be comparable to one can of tuna. Of course mercury varies heavily from fish to fish but unless they were living on tuna/swordfish this sounds like an urban legend or could be something else in raw fish like liver parasites or bacteria.
The amount of mercury in the type of fatty tuna used for sushi is several times more mercury than in light canned tuna, which is normally what you'd use for a tuna melt or whatever.
Sushi grade tuna (unlike eel) isn't one of the types of fish you should never eat, but I definitely wouldn't eat it more than once a month.
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I'm not sure what you're basing your opinion on, but I wasn't directly tested by a naturopath. You get a urine sample that's later shipped to an accredited lab and they provide you a detailed report with reference ranges, recommendations, and caveats. I don't know what other NDs are like, though I'm sure many make a living by overselling supplements.
> accredited lab Accredited by who? > detailed report with reference ranges, recommendations, and caveats. I can generate detailed reports. With references and ranges. My point still stands, if you think what they are perscribing works, go get tested again with a different lab. More than likely you'll have just as negative a report come back with exactly the same recommendations. Naturopathy is pseudoscience.
> Naturopathy is pseudoscience
Agreed. However, many NDs are not exactly "naturopathic", but more like alternative doctors that can fill in the gaps if your conventional MD is not very helpful.
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#160Okay, this Environmental Working Group found traces of pesticides on produce. That's not terribly unexpected, given how most produce is, well, produced. What this article annoyingly neglects to mention, is the _numbers_ attached to those traces of pesticides. Where there large amounts of trace chemicals, such that the levels exceed the EPA's recommended safe exposure levels? Were they so high that dangerous levels of…
Well, so here's the other side of the coin-- nobody actually has any idea what's definitely safe. Do you trust that because the EPA has put a number on a chemical that it can't be wrong? Why don't you guess what percent of the time when the EPA calls an exposure level safe does it go back and change its mind and decide it wasn't safe after all? Also, why are you confident the EPA knows all the long-term biological an…
If you look hard enough you're very often going to find the molecule you're looking for.
Was it detected at 0.1%, 100% or 10000% of an arbitrary EPA limit? This provides at least some quantitative indication of what's going on.