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Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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It's understandable they might require a phone number to keep down spam. It's less understandable they'd lie to new users on the reasons their account was blocked. We can't expect even the smallest scraps of honesty from corporations anymore.

It is understandable why they'd lie. If the error message was something like, "your request was blocked because you've included HTTP headers in the order [x-foo, x-bar], which is the header ordering in 99.9% of spam tweets", they would just change their agent's header order instead of no longer spending spam.

I am not sure people realize what a high percentage of users of "free" services are spam bots of some sort. Sit around in the average Twitch channel and you'll see a flood of spam from similarly-named accounts every so often. They get around the filters because Twitch tells you why you're filtered. "This room is in followers only mode", so they follow the stream they want to spam a few days/weeks in advance. "This word is not allowed by the spam filters", so they change one letter and continue spamming that word. Etc., etc.

It sucks for normal users caught up in spam filters, but it's an enormous problem that there is no easy solution to.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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I assume by "propaganda" what you mean is "deplatforming". Much easier to keep people who emit thoughtcrime off of your platform if they have to keep getting new mobile numbers each time they are banned.

Or, you know… propaganda.

When the NYT is cheer-leading for the next foreign war, will they get kicked off Twitter to? I sincerely doubt it.

America's newspaper of record has a track record of being wrong during the onset of wars, parroting whatever Washington tells them is true, then eating crow much later and apologizing for. The most recent case was the aid truck fire in Venezuela, which it took them weeks to correct. You've also got WMDs in Iraq that never existed, and their parroting of the Nayirah testimony in 1990, only to admit two years later it was fraudulent.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

#43
The article states and asks:

> I had a new IP

> I had a newly installed operating system and browser.

> What exactly about my behavior is unusual?

It's not that this behavior is unusual (though, it is), it's that this behavior looks exactly like a bot. It's sad, but this is the state of the world now. If you're a big actor like Twitter, you end up blocking anything that looks like a bot, with an escape hatch a user can't do. Phone numbers are the an option for that, and it not doubt helps block other cases Twitter wants to block as well.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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This is the new norm... expect all services to require phone numbers due to spam and propaganda.

I assume by "propaganda" what you mean is "deplatforming". Much easier to keep people who emit thoughtcrime off of your platform if they have to keep getting new mobile numbers each time they are banned.

Does Twitter have a right to police their platform or not?

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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Sad but true. At the hosting company I work for, we had to start requiring phone numbers for cloud servers due to a massive wave of abuse. It's one of the few roadblocks that helps at least somewhat. Previously, we didn't even require a full name. A few idiots always ruin it for everyone.

You seem to ignore that this constrains abusers as much as it does legitimate users. Collective punishment in order to mitigate abuse by a few is the wrong way to go.

Well, it works, and it's a minor annoyance at most for our legitimate customers.

Abusers, on the other hand, have to burn a phone number on each account that gets locked.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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This is the new norm... expect all services to require phone numbers due to spam and propaganda.

I have a really split opinion about this. On the one hand I've seen a lot of really hateful stuff lobbed around on sites like Twitter, and I suspect that linking accounts to phone numbers would dramatically reduce that. On the other hand, I'm not sure I want Twitter (et. al.) knowing my phone number.

I agree. I would rather pay them some fee. But they don't seem to want to monetize their service via user fees.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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That still allows geolocation. But one can lease hosted SIMs. Actual SIMs in server farms. So they're "real" mobile numbers. Just not located where you are.

I tried to find a hosted sim provider - zero results. Can you provide a link?

https://speedyverify.com/

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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This is the new norm... expect all services to require phone numbers due to spam and propaganda.

True, requiring phone number are to prevent sybil attacks and are for accountability.

Phone numbers are extremely easy to obtain. This won't achieve anything in the long run.
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