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More Than 90% of Americans Have Pesticides or Their Byproducts in Their Bodies

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Post by driverdan »

rubicon33 wrote: post #104
driverdan wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to be the one to inform you but organic broccoli isn't any healthier than conventional broccoli.

And I hate to be the one to inform you, that I tend not to take random internet comments to heart. But if you're saying that eating organic food in general has no health benefits vs. conventional food, I'd love to read whatever source you've derived that from. I always keep an open mind.

There have been many studies on the topic. The occasional differences are statistically significant but not significant enough to impact health. Here are a few reviews:

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/1/203/4597310?maxto...

> Conclusion: From a systematic review of the currently available published literature, evidence is lacking for nutrition-related health effects that result from the consumption of organically produced foodstuffs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19640946

> CONCLUSIONS: On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality, there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs. The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods.

https://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1355685/organic-food...

> Conclusion: The published literature lacks strong evidence that organic foods are significantly more nutritious than conventional foods. Consumption of organic foods may reduce exposure to pesticide residues and antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

Discussion of those papers: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/no-health-benefits-from-org...

Discussion of meat and milk: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/organic-vs-conventional-mea...

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Post by joenathanone »

omalleyt wrote: post #115
chmln wrote: post #101

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I would bet that mercury toxicity is incredibly underdiagnosed, especially if it's not acute. Fatigue, insomnia, and a host of other symptoms are fairly common and not easy to spot as a part of a bigger problem. Anecdata: when I went to a large hospital they laughed off my idea that I have heavy metal poisoning and didn't even have the facilities to test for it. Only months later after visiting a naturopath and getti…

What was the treatment?

>heavy metal poisoning

Only treatment I'm aware of is some light jazz or R&B.

Re: More Than 90% of Americans Have Pesticides or Their Byproducts in Their Bodies

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Post by alexandercrohde »

korethr wrote: post #79

Okay, this Environmental Working Group found traces of pesticides on produce. That's not terribly unexpected, given how most produce is, well, produced. What this article annoyingly neglects to mention, is the _numbers_ attached to those traces of pesticides. Where there large amounts of trace chemicals, such that the levels exceed the EPA's recommended safe exposure levels? Were they so high that dangerous levels of…

Well, so here's the other side of the coin-- nobody actually has any idea what's definitely safe.

Do you trust that because the EPA has put a number on a chemical that it can't be wrong?

Why don't you guess what percent of the time when the EPA calls an exposure level safe does it go back and change its mind and decide it wasn't safe after all?

Also, why are you confident the EPA knows all the long-term biological and cross-generational effects of all these chemicals when nobody can even decide yet if coffee is good for me?

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Post by cies »

ben509 wrote: post #44
coldtea wrote: post #20

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Yeah, everything is perfect in modern food industry nutrients and dangerous non-food crap substances-wise...

Bodies have evolved to deal with crap substances through metabolism and excretion, so it just has to be Good Enough. If you live to 85 and get cancer, by all means try and figure out how to deal with the cancer, but a positive mindset would also appreciate that you lived to 85.

> Bodies have evolved to deal with crap substances through metabolism and excretion, so it just has to be Good Enough.

Bodies had no time to evolve to deal with modern pesticides. Any idea what time evolution takes to do what it does?

> a positive mindset would also appreciate that you lived to 85.

I think that's besides the point. Because that does not rule out that getting older i.e. losing from a disease later in life is not in some other way advantageous.

What if, consumers can add 5 years on average to our lives by eating exclusively organic produce, and we can also show that organic production harms nature significantly less, should we not move on use this wisdom to kill off some cash cows for an ugly-ass "agrochemical and agricultural biotechnology corporation"?

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Post by tracker1 »

thatcat wrote: post #87
tracker1 wrote: post #73

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Most organic farming still involves some pesticides, they're just organic (and sometimes more toxic).

The difference is between the known interaction of chemicals that have existed for a considerable time as an agricultural product and synthetic chemicals that have unknown interactions.

Organic pesticides and their interactions aren't that well known... hell, all around the interactions of most of the foods people eat, gene expressions and even gut flora leave most data almost meaningless.

Eat food you make from mostly whole sources, avoid sugars (especially refined), avoid grains (especially refined), avoid refined seed/vegetable oils... do those things and you're still doing better than most of the population, even if your veg and meat aren't completely clean.

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Post by lixtra »

munk-a wrote: post #88
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #65

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The reality of the situation is that living will eventually kill you someday. It's merely a matter of how quickly you get there and how much you suffer along the way.

This is a terrible viewpoint, life should be an enjoyable experience and if people (or pesticide companies) are lowering that enjoyment we as a society should act and throw heaps of regulations to force a better outcome. I have no pity for any profit margin that even comes close to my care for our collective enjoyment of life.

A lot of people value pesticides/herbicides/fungicides because they make food affordable or available. In the past people starved due to lack of pest control [1,2].

Without modern agriculture it’s doubtful if 7 billion humans could survive on this planet and their footprint would be even larger.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

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Post by r00fus »

jacquesc wrote: post #26
sbzodnsbd wrote: post #10

Only 90?? What does the other 10 do to avoid pesticides????

Maybe 1/10 Americans only eat meat and over processed grains. They have different problems.

It's not like that meat doesn't eat processed grains too. They have more problems than just the produce.

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Post by mirimir »

driverdan wrote: post #121
rubicon33 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I hate to be the one to inform you, that I tend not to take random internet comments to heart. But if you're saying that eating organic food in general has no health benefits vs. conventional food, I'd love to read whatever source you've derived that from. I always keep an open mind.

There have been many studies on the topic. The occasional differences are statistically significant but not significant enough to impact health. Here are a few reviews: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/1/203/4597310?maxto... > Conclusion: From a systematic review of the currently available published literature, evidence is lacking for nutrition-related health effects that result from the consumption of organi…

There's ~no correlation between nutrient content and levels of toxic contaminants. If one added a lethal dose of botulism toxin to some food, it wouldn't change the nutrient content. But it would still kill you.
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