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More Than 90% of Americans Have Pesticides or Their Byproducts in Their Bodies

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Post by DTrejo »

stillbourne wrote: post #61
dictum wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skepticism is a rather paradoxical word/concept to imply trust-by-default.

Skepticism doesn't imply trust-by-default. This article is an example of the shoddy work that is often performed by bad science "journalists" and used by the Chemophobic to push bullshit such as essential oils, naturopathic medicines, and MLM crapware. If you can't recognize that this is bad journalism that's not my fault. Its not that I "trust" the herbicide/pesticide companies that produce and manufacture these che…

Stillbourne, you seem to have a lot of trust in science funded by chemical companies. Remember how tobacco companies lied about the health impact of cigarettes?

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Post by driverdan »

rubicon33 wrote: post #34
geddy wrote: post #28

Watched a great documentary on Netflix called `Stink!` that was about all the crap found in all sorts of products under the hidden phrase "fragrance" (or in some cases, "parfum"). All sorts of chemicals you've never heard of to make those garbage bags smell like apple orchards. Very informative and, if you're like me and are constantly panicked that everything's trying to kill you, I recommend it.

Curious about this part: > Very informative and, if you're like me and are constantly panicked that everything's trying to kill you, I recommend it. So are you saying this will help me STOP worrying that everything is trying to kill me? I'm kinda to the point where I feel like if you aren't eating organic broccoli for breakfast lunch and dinner, than you're killing yourself. So I'm not sure I need any MORE informatio…

I hate to be the one to inform you but organic broccoli isn't any healthier than conventional broccoli.

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Post by sokoloff »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #47
devmunchies wrote: post #7

Is it possible to grow enough food in your backyard to live off of (plus chickens as a yard waste disposal) if you also work full time? I can't even eat at a restaurant without knowing if they use organic produce.

No it isn't possible. But if you're married (or cohabitating) it is possible for one of you to focus on wealth creation and the other to focus on supplying edibles such that you both have a good quality of life and reasonably self sufficient food production. The things you can't produce will be flour, sugar, spices (salt, pepper, Etc.) and will need to import, but with a flock of chickens and a dairy cow, and roughly…

What percentage of the world’s population is in a position to buy 5 acres of arable land and have half the couple tend to the farming full-time? 1 in 10,000? Less?

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

sokoloff wrote: post #84
ChuckMcM wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn't possible. But if you're married (or cohabitating) it is possible for one of you to focus on wealth creation and the other to focus on supplying edibles such that you both have a good quality of life and reasonably self sufficient food production. The things you can't produce will be flour, sugar, spices (salt, pepper, Etc.) and will need to import, but with a flock of chickens and a dairy cow, and roughly…

What percentage of the world’s population is in a position to buy 5 acres of arable land and have half the couple tend to the farming full-time? 1 in 10,000? Less?

Maybe a lot? Acres of farmland are pretty cheap. I takes only a mobile home to live there. Well, plus a well and septic tank. Maybe $25K?

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Post by driverdan »

devmunchies wrote: post #7

Is it possible to grow enough food in your backyard to live off of (plus chickens as a yard waste disposal) if you also work full time? I can't even eat at a restaurant without knowing if they use organic produce.

> I can't even eat at a restaurant without knowing if they use organic produce.

That doesn't make sense. Organic produce isn't healthier than conventional produce. Even worse it requires significantly more water and allows for nastier pesticides and herbicides. Read up on the history of organic farming and look at what certification allows.

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Post by thatcat »

tracker1 wrote: post #73
jillesvangurp wrote: post #67

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There are lots of examples of intensive farming in e.g. greenhouses and vertical farms that don't involve pesticides. That's in addition to loads of traditional farmers converting to organic farming and managing decent yields as well. So plenty of proof that it can be done and that it is being done. Whether it scales is more a technical challenge than a scientific question IMHO. The real problem in farming is not cos…

Most organic farming still involves some pesticides, they're just organic (and sometimes more toxic).

The difference is between the known interaction of chemicals that have existed for a considerable time as an agricultural product and synthetic chemicals that have unknown interactions.

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Post by munk-a »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #65
rubicon33 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious about this part: > Very informative and, if you're like me and are constantly panicked that everything's trying to kill you, I recommend it. So are you saying this will help me STOP worrying that everything is trying to kill me? I'm kinda to the point where I feel like if you aren't eating organic broccoli for breakfast lunch and dinner, than you're killing yourself. So I'm not sure I need any MORE informatio…

The reality of the situation is that living will eventually kill you someday. It's merely a matter of how quickly you get there and how much you suffer along the way.

This is a terrible viewpoint, life should be an enjoyable experience and if people (or pesticide companies) are lowering that enjoyment we as a society should act and throw heaps of regulations to force a better outcome. I have no pity for any profit margin that even comes close to my care for our collective enjoyment of life.

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Post by strait »

mtw wrote: post #37
devmunchies wrote: post #7

Is it possible to grow enough food in your backyard to live off of (plus chickens as a yard waste disposal) if you also work full time? I can't even eat at a restaurant without knowing if they use organic produce.

If you don't know how to grow food, there's this project that will seed and take care of plants https://farm.bot From what I read, this produces enough veggies for a family of four all year round. Now producing beans, rice or wheat is another matter. I don't think its possible without moving to your own farm

Don't include beans on that list! They are the easiest of all to produce, as long as your summer isn't too terribly cold. Maybe you were thinking of corn?

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Post by sokoloff »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #85
sokoloff wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What percentage of the world’s population is in a position to buy 5 acres of arable land and have half the couple tend to the farming full-time? 1 in 10,000? Less?

Maybe a lot? Acres of farmland are pretty cheap. I takes only a mobile home to live there. Well, plus a well and septic tank. Maybe $25K?

As a Fermi problem, to try to understand the overall scale, I was intrigued to learn that there’s about the same number of arable acres of land as people in the world. Naturally, neither of these things is evenly distributed.

In the place where my well-paying job is, it would be difficult for us to afford 5 arable acres on one locally top 5% income within a reasonable commute to my work.

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