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Re: Apple announces Apple Card credit card

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You mean like Visa and MasterCard? Yes very unhealthy. Big entities shouldn’t control payments.

the difference is that there re dozens of CC companies which do not share information. Apple already has a lot more info on users then CCs do. edit Apple knows a lot about you IF you use apple products. Didn't think this would be a controversial point :)

how is this remotely true?

Apple has nearly nothing on you. Amex knows what I buy, when, and where.

Re: Apple announces Apple Card credit card

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post #131

It seems to me that Apple can offer reduced fees due to the fact that they'll have less fraud as a result of requiring touch/face ID for every purchase. While interesting, it doesn't come close to solving what I feel is the largest problem with cards in the US today -- interchange fees.

I know this is a MasterCard, but it'd be more interesting if they were able to take out the $0.35 transaction fee on every transaction. This is the bread and butter of every payment processor, and it's complete rent seeking, AND supposedly all the major processors are going to RAISE it at roughly the same time in the coming months. Eliminating the set transaction fee could open up so many potential businesses. But I'…

Indeed, why would Apple want to eliminate that fee?

But also, how is this rent seeking? Rent seeking is defined as attempting to take a larger share of existing wealth without increasing total wealth. Electronic payment systems absolutely add to total wealth.

Re: Apple announces Apple Card credit card

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post #25

With the rise of smartphone payments like Samsung Pay, Android Pay and Apple Pay , is there even a need for credit cards? How long until these companies start skipping payment processors like Visa and Mastercard and take the whole pie?

I don't live in a tech hub city but in all my shopping I have never seen anyone use one of the Apple/Samsung payment methods where I live. Even when I spent months in Silicon Valley I can count the number of times I saw it used on one hand.

Barcelona, Spain - all merchants already got used to Apple/Samsung mobile devices payments. Phones, bracelets, watches. I know just few stores where Apple Pay doesn't work.

Re: Apple announces Apple Card credit card

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I don't thing it is healthy to have big entities like this control fundamental services like payment processing. How long before the opaque governance of the App Store is applied to their payments offering? How long before activists start making this a new vector for deplatforming? Apple also announced a news offering ( https://www.techradar.com/news/apple-news-plus ) and I think the same concerns apply there.

Look no further than the recent issue where Patreon competitor Subscribestar had payment processors Stripe and PayPal stop processing their payments for _political_ disagreements with the purported beneficiaries of the donations through the platform. PayPal said that it was actually one of the underlying payment processors, and it was suspected to be MasterCard. That incident was the first time I've ever taken the ne…

If MasterCard is doing it, how would an alternative payment processor help? You need to change the payment method.

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How does something like this work in Europe with no signature on the card? When I tried to use a US card without a PIN that I hadn't yet signed, a German checker made a fuss about the missing signature. This isn't a problem in the US where no one bothers checking the signature. What about a brewery I went to this weekend where neither swipe or chip was available for their POS and the card number was manually entered?

We use chip&pin in europe. It looks like Apple card supports it and you'll be fine

Re: Apple announces Apple Card credit card

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post #131

It seems to me that Apple can offer reduced fees due to the fact that they'll have less fraud as a result of requiring touch/face ID for every purchase. While interesting, it doesn't come close to solving what I feel is the largest problem with cards in the US today -- interchange fees.

>It seems to me that Apple can offer reduced fees due to the fact that they'll have less fraud as a result of requiring touch/face ID for every purchase.

I don't think that's a big component of it. It's probably has more to do with Apple users being inherently more credit-worthy. If you're well-heeled enough to be neck deep in the Apple ecosystem in the first place, you're probably less likely to be in credit default.

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> there’s no credit card number, CVV, expiration date, or signature, with all that authorization information stored directly in the Apple Wallet app.

I understand the point is to increase Apple Pay usage, but how would I use this card with online websites which don't support Apple Pay?

Re: Apple announces Apple Card credit card

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I don't thing it is healthy to have big entities like this control fundamental services like payment processing. How long before the opaque governance of the App Store is applied to their payments offering? How long before activists start making this a new vector for deplatforming? Apple also announced a news offering ( https://www.techradar.com/news/apple-news-plus ) and I think the same concerns apply there.

Look no further than the recent issue where Patreon competitor Subscribestar had payment processors Stripe and PayPal stop processing their payments for _political_ disagreements with the purported beneficiaries of the donations through the platform. PayPal said that it was actually one of the underlying payment processors, and it was suspected to be MasterCard. That incident was the first time I've ever taken the ne…

Same with wikileaks

Re: Apple announces Apple Card credit card

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Just allow me to create as many 'virtual' credit cards from a single card and that's enough. Every single provider that promised that feature has either underwhelmed, or gone out of business.

Yes. I'm so sick of businesses relying on people not cancelling to exist, and thereby making their calcellation process as time consuming and obtuse as possible to reduce consumers chances of cancelling. Consumers should be able to just NOT pay for a service, and then it's on the service-provider to turn off the customer's access. I can't tell you the amount of services I've past up on simply because I don't want to…

I use the Amex online chat to block a specific merchant when I want to cancel. Takes less than 60 seconds and they will decline any charge matching that merchant descriptor.
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