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Note that this list is based on the tomato score which doesn't directly refers to the movie quality, it simply says if the movie is worth seeing. There is also a rating which is usually hidden by default (click the more info link on a film's page). If you check that then you see, for example, that the number 1 Black Panther's rating is 8.26, while number 2 Lady Bird has a rating of 8.74, so it's a better rated movie.…
> Note that this list is based on the tomato score It's not, it even shows that score on the list. #1 is scored 97% while #2 is 99%. What would be better is a top list based on audience score, not critic score.
Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News
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Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News
#152If you like this, then you might also like spidr[0] "SPIDR is an AI-powered news aggregator that uses text analysis to group similar news together. The aim is to provide fast access to relevant news from different viewpoints." [0] https://spidr.today
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#153Taking a look at the Rotten Tomatoes “Top 100 Films of All Time” list [1], I’m not exactly sure why it’s a model to be replicated. It’s extremely obvious that “top” means “popular and/or most advertised.” [1] https://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/
A group of my friends who are real film enthusiasts bashed IMDB top 250 in a similar way so they decided to create their own top 250. They had a big spreadsheet, argued and discussed for a long time. The result? Pretty much exactly the same as IMDB top 250.
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#154This, and many other concepts based on "vetting" news assumes that the audience cares. A significant portion of the audience does not care, and is instead looking for news that validates their worldview, and furthers their (and their chosen political party's) goals. So basically these services will cannibalize the part of the audience that does care about truth, turning people against each other over marginally skewe…
It's even worse. For most people, news is just a social object. Something to talk about with family, co-workers, etc. Whether or not any particular story is true doesn't matter - what matters is that everyone in their circle is aware of the described event (whether they read the same story, or a different one). Humans are pretty good at fact-checking and critical thinking when getting it wrong means some immediate lo…
In fact, I suspect that even Hacker News and this very story itself (now I'm getting meta) are mostly the same: interesting, but often doesn't have any immediate impact and not actionable. I read biology/physics articles on HN because they're cool, but I don't work in those domains. We can hold some discussion about it, but there isn't anything that I can really do about it.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Subsidized prediction markets. Unfortunately, they are illegal
How would a prediction market help determine whether a news article about current events is accurate?
A democracy provides a Schelling point, … an option which might or might not be the best, but which is not too bad and which everyone agrees on in order to stop fighting. … In the six hundred fifty years between the Norman Conquest and the neutering of the English monarchy, Wikipedia lists about twenty revolts and civil wars. … In the three hundred years since the neutering of the English monarchy and the switch to a more Parliamentary system, there have been exactly zero. … Democracy doesn’t always perform optimally, but it always performs fairly, … and that is enough to prevent people from starting civil wars.
Academia is different. Its state resembles that of pre-democratic governments, when anyone could choose a side, claim it was legitimate, and then get into endless protracted fights with the partisans of other sides. If you believe ObamaCare will destroy the economy, you will have no trouble finding a prestigious academic who agrees with you. Then all you need to do is accuse the other academics of bias, or cherry-picking, or using the wrong statistical test, or any of the other ways to discredit scientists you don’t like. …
A democratic vote among the scientific establishment is insufficient to settle these topics. The most important problem is that it gives massive power to the people who determine who gets to be part of “the scientific establishment”. … So not having any Schelling point – being hopelessly confused about the legitimacy of academic ideas – sucks. But a straight democratic vote of academics would also suck and be potentially unfair.
Prediction markets avoid these problems. There is no question of who the experts are: anyone can invest in a prediction market. There’s no question of special interests taking it over; this just distributes free money to more honest investors. Not only do they escape real bias, but more importantly they escape perceived bias. It is breathtakingly beautiful how impossible it is to rail that a prediction market is the tool of the liberal media or whatever. …
Nate Silver might do better than a prediction market, I don’t know. But Nate Silver is not a Schelling point. Nobody chose him as Official Statistics Guy via a fair process. And if someone objected to his beliefs, they could accuse him of bias and he would have no recourse until it was too late. If a prediction market is almost as good as Nate, and it is also unbiased and impossible to accuse of bias, we have our Schelling point. …
Just as democracy made it harder to fight over leadership, prediction markets make it harder to fight over beliefs. We can still fight over values, of course – if you hate teenagers having sex, and I don’t care about it, we can debate that all day long. But if we want to know whether a certain law will raise the pregnancy rate, there will be only one correct answer, and it will only be a mouse-click away.
I think this would have more positive effects than anyone anticipates. If people took it seriously, not only would the gun control debate be over in an hour, but it would end on the objectively right side, whichever side that was. If single-payer would be better than Obamacare, we could implement single-payer and anyone who tried to make up horror stories about how it would destroy health care would be laughed out of the room. And once these issues have gone away, maybe we can reach the point where half the country stops hating the other half because of disagreements which are largely over factual issues.
Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News
#156A structured summary- background, objectives, data sources, synthesis methods used, results, limitations, conclusions and the implications of important findings drawn by the article.
In more detail:
An introduction that presents the problem and the issues dealt with. An assessment of the methods which describes the research and the evaluation process; specifies the number of studies references and gives a brief evaluation of their validity. A description of conclusions/results and their quality based on identifiable and preconceived academic/professional metrics. A strong summary of conclusions, limitations of those conclusions and the outcomes of the procedure used for the research.
I would really love to see reviews of reviews as well as a reviewers rating system (individual reviewers should have their own ratings) but given the limited number of reviewers that maybe asking too much.
Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News
#157Good luck to them if course, but I am not sure this will work. Couple of reasons come to my mind: 1. How will I know that news have been reviewed by qualified people? Technically this should be news agency/source's job. 2. By the time the score will depict the news' quality, the damage may be already done. 3. RT is based on people's opinions, but news should be fact checked. What I think it should do, is to score the…
Scoring publishers just puts an extra layer of abstraction on the problem without actually handling any of the issues you brought up.
The fact is, this is a good idea. So good that it already exists in a number of places with carrying degrees of success.
Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're not wrong. But for those of us who want facts and insight instead of entertainment and opinions it would be nice for it to be more obvious where to find that.
I find it pretty easy to find reputable news sources, I don't really need a tool but I guess it could help. It's everyone else I'm worried about. Solving this problem for only people who want the truth narrows the scope dramatically and may in fact make the situation worse, by attacking and discrediting legitimate news sources for a perceived bias.
Were your "reputable news sources" promising you up, down, left, right, backwards and forwards that the Mueller report was going to end Trump and conclusively prove that his Presidency was the result of Russian collusion?
Maybe not for you as an individual. Mine were a great deal more mixed, for instance. But I suspect for a lot of people, the reason they find it easy to find "reputable news sources" is that they never hold their news sources to account for being wrong.
I use this example merely as the most temporally-handy example of when a lot of "reputable sources" got it very, very wrong. There are many.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
presumably it's marketed as anti fake news but the reality is it will be politically biased towards one faction. That's usually how these things play out.
The thing is, even if it's not biased, as soon as something is published which is inconvenient for one side or the other all the partisans are going to claim it's biased. As they already do.
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#160What will happen here is what happens with all sites which attempt to curate news or check facts: people who disagree with the site's conclusions will write it off as propaganda. Using "professional" journalists or "domain experts" at all will be a red flag for people who believe mainstream media and science only serves political and corporate interests.
I have not yet seen one that isn't just a news site that grades whether or not the news is in alignment with some ideology, with the occasional fig leaf tossed out for some particularly egregious error to try to appear even-handed.
The closest I've seen are some news grading sites that are fair for a couple of months, but because a pure ideology site.
As near as I've been able to tell, discarding all such sites (not just the ones that disagree with your ideology, but "all sites" is a superset of that) is the rational move.