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Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News

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Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News

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Post by ai_ia »

nukeop wrote: post #29
ai_ia wrote: post #21

I have had this idea for so long. A Crowd-News Watch Dog which basically works like a wikipedia + archive.org + IMDB for News Reporting. There you can have profile for journalists or any content writers. You can basically see what a journalist has wrote about in her/his entire life. Political inclinations deducted from writings by crowd. The article written can be critiqued in the platform using a set of pre-defined…

This would very quickly devolve into either a hardcore bullying platform, or a banfest of everyone who criticizes the favorite people of the site's owner, his friends, and moderators.

If an argument put forward by the article doesn't abide by journalistic principles and is bad and crtiques offer why it is bad with coherent counter-argument, I believe there can be a middle ground somewhere.

Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News

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Post by josteink »

Someone’s always negative in these threads, so this time it might as well be me.

First of all: that headline really has an apples and oranges feel to it.

Basically Rotten tomatoes worked because it merely curated and aggregated something which already existed in abundance: movie reviews, deriving a consensus based on that.

Doing the same for news, will depend on something which has yet to exist at any meaningful scale: news reviews (and what would that even be?).

So not only must it prove its value (and neutrality) as an aggregator, but it will also have to encourage the creation of something entirely new (news reviews) at scale, because otherwise it won’t have anything to curate.

I’m not holding my breath.

Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News

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Post by dmortin »

keiferski wrote: post #4

Taking a look at the Rotten Tomatoes “Top 100 Films of All Time” list [1], I’m not exactly sure why it’s a model to be replicated. It’s extremely obvious that “top” means “popular and/or most advertised.” [1] https://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/

Note that this list is based on the tomato score which doesn't directly refers to the movie quality, it simply says if the movie is worth seeing.

There is also a rating which is usually hidden by default (click the more info link on a film's page). If you check that then you see, for example, that the number 1 Black Panther's rating is 8.26, while number 2 Lady Bird has a rating of 8.74, so it's a better rated movie.

There should be a top list based on ratings too. Maybe there is somewhere.

Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News

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Post by netsharc »

cat199 wrote: post #14

give the user control of the reputation ranking, and you might have something here..

But it will just leave the system vulnerable to brigading.

That even happened on RT for the Captain Marvel movie because of the female heroine, many "snowflakes" got offended and gave a movie that wasn't even out yet bad ratings.

Kinda funny how these snowflakes (let me assume white males) call out "SJW"s while meanwhile they themselves actually believe society is mistreating them and so in their rage they're also expressing their own version of wanting "social justice".

Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News

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Post by Kiro »

keiferski wrote: post #4

Taking a look at the Rotten Tomatoes “Top 100 Films of All Time” list [1], I’m not exactly sure why it’s a model to be replicated. It’s extremely obvious that “top” means “popular and/or most advertised.” [1] https://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/

A group of my friends who are real film enthusiasts bashed IMDB top 250 in a similar way so they decided to create their own top 250. They had a big spreadsheet, argued and discussed for a long time. The result? Pretty much exactly the same as IMDB top 250.

Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News

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Post by TulliusCicero »

dagw wrote: post #15
keiferski wrote: post #4

Taking a look at the Rotten Tomatoes “Top 100 Films of All Time” list [1], I’m not exactly sure why it’s a model to be replicated. It’s extremely obvious that “top” means “popular and/or most advertised.” [1] https://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/

It’s extremely obvious that “top” means “popular and/or most advertised.” In RTs case, "Top" means films no one dislikes it and everybody thought it was at the very least OK. The "problem" with genuinely great films is that they can often be divisive and challenging and generate a lot of strong opinions in both directions, and thus they'll never rate as well on RT.

Which is totally fine, as long as it's understood that way. Nothing wrong with a 'consensus'-type rating.

Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News

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Post by ceejayoz »

nukeop wrote: post #30
keiferski wrote: post #4

Taking a look at the Rotten Tomatoes “Top 100 Films of All Time” list [1], I’m not exactly sure why it’s a model to be replicated. It’s extremely obvious that “top” means “popular and/or most advertised.” [1] https://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/

RT has been a joke ever since they rated a Marvel movie as the greatest achievement of cinematography in history.

When did they do that?

Re: Credder Wants to Create an Equivalent to “Rotten Tomatoes” for News

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Post by joeblau »

I wrote something that was trying to do this a back in January that was called desational[1]. What I did was very basic but the process I did went as follows.

1. Break up news articles into sentences

2. Pay Amazon MTurkers to tag sentences as `news` or `not-news`

3. Train a text classifier based on the results for Mturk

4. Process new articles using the trained model to identify and strip out parts pf the article that are sensational.

5. Give the article a percent score and a letter grade about how much "news" is actually in the article based on the percentage of sentences that were identified as news.

I ran it for a few weeks on tech news, but then I figured that the news industry is not a business I really want to be in. The source code is all just sitting up on GitLab.

[1] - https://desational.gitlab.io/desational.com/

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