Not really relevant, but too much of a fun fact for me not to share: the partner's name is "DeVries", which I'm guessing has a Dutch origin, and literally translates to "TheFreeze". (I suspect its etymological origin is more related to Frysia, though.)
How did two groups of fish separately evolve genes for making antifreeze?
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe the mutation wasn't really random? I wouldn't be surprised if at some point we find that the "90% unused brain capacity" is actually doing some long-term adaptation computations and then uses various signals to put that information into reproductive cells...
We are seeing external adaptive pressures that diminish natural selection as an absolute, such as in this paper https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4333222/ Its nice that science is able to adapt to new information. Natural selection needed to be an absolute to counter state-religion based spontaneous creation. But its now not an absolute, with worthwhile investigation of how life experience can make its way…
Re: How did two groups of fish separately evolve genes for making antifreeze?
#23Not really relevant, but too much of a fun fact for me not to share: the partner's name is "DeVries", which I'm guessing has a Dutch origin, and literally translates to "TheFreeze". (I suspect its etymological origin is more related to Frysia, though.)
Not quite, 'de Vries' in Dutch translates to 'the Friesian'.
Re: How did two groups of fish separately evolve genes for making antifreeze?
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, that would be DeFries.
Exactly, although the word probably derives from that - hence my remark about its etymological origin.
friesland's name is disputed though between being founded by a guy named 'friso' and that 'Fries' means 'peoples with curly hair' :D - so much for logic & linguistics :D!
Re: How did two groups of fish separately evolve genes for making antifreeze?
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly, although the word probably derives from that - hence my remark about its etymological origin.
vries means freeze. even though not used like that specifically, you are right in your thought that vries means freeze. "ik vries" -> "i freeze". friesland's name is disputed though between being founded by a guy named 'friso' and that 'Fries' means 'peoples with curly hair' :D - so much for logic & linguistics :D!
Which is why I didn't want to go into the actual etymology, because the only reason it was a fun fact is because the current meaning of the word is freeze, regardless of what it referred to in the past :)
Re: How did two groups of fish separately evolve genes for making antifreeze?
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cited by 555 other papers suggesting RNA changes from life experience - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4333222/ so people are working on reproducing this and understanding this process more, to say more clearly: scientists are actively researching how evolution can happen without natural selection
> how evolution can happen without natural selection This sounds incoherent. What does "natural selection" mean to you?
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> how evolution can happen without natural selection This sounds incoherent. What does "natural selection" mean to you?
Modern usage of “evolution” sometimes conflates “change of the organism over time or a lineage between generations” with “Darwinian selection”. Sexual selection is an easy example of evolution that’s not due to Darwinian “natural” selection.
https://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/commentary/evolution/sexual-...
Re: How did two groups of fish separately evolve genes for making antifreeze?
#30From the headline I'd immediately guess many groups of fish were living in above-zero waters adjacent to sub-zero waters containing food. Eventually some of them experienced a random mutation which made them slightly less freezy and earned them free food! The account of the actual sequence of mutations required was really interesting, though. It's good to see an article go into that kind of detail!
Maybe the mutation wasn't really random? I wouldn't be surprised if at some point we find that the "90% unused brain capacity" is actually doing some long-term adaptation computations and then uses various signals to put that information into reproductive cells...
The central problem for Lamarckism is explaining how the body is supposed to know which changes are beneficial. A blacksmith might develop a strong right arm, but also tennis elbow.