I find it difficult to be against such a system
It's easy if you believe people should be free to live their lives as they want
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#52The article uses the term "government" but the citation refers to Tencent doing this voluntarily, as a form of preemptive self-regulation. The distinction is blurred but this does not appear to be a law or public policy at the moment.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's easy if you believe people should be free to live their lives as they want
Okay, putting asbestos underwear on: In most modern societies, we agree that children have limitations on the "people should be free to live their lives as they want" mindset. Otherwise, we'd be letting four year olds subsist solely on candy, hot dogs, and twenty hours a day of the Best of Elsagate. We've traditionally trusted the compromise for that to parents. But parenting is hard. We're running on a mix of scienc…
We can't put an education expert in every home, but we can put all the children in "correct child raising institutions" where they'll follow strict schedules, intense education and balanced diets. So that we'll be sure the kids will be productive elements for the society when they grow up.
I bet in a few generations people would start asking questions like "if it wouldn't be the state, who would raise our children?".
Joking aside, it's not the state's role to raise our children. It's only role should be to make sure the kids are not abused and that's it.
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#54How can anyone here endorse something like this in any way? I get that video game addiction is a real problem, but constant surveillance is not a healthy alternative. Some people are cool with this because "kids need to be studying or playing outside, not playing video games!". But this is just an instance where your interests happen to shallowly align with the government's. By the time we get to an issue you take of…
I wish i could setup a time limit like this for my kids‘ games.
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#55It has been years China actually do this.
I believe this started from World of Warcraft. I remember I was 16 when I started to play World of Warcraft, all kinds of regulation started to appear in this game, for example: needs to register with an adult ID card, adding flesh to skeletons, no longer gaining experience when you play too long for a day etc.
For China itself, I think it's just a typical culture resist, just like pop music in the 70s (It's actually a big deal if you try to listen to Taiwan pop music, but young people just love it).
But like other posts mentioned in this thread, it's far more a problem about how people think, just like Europe could probably do this as well. Parent themselves think kids playing video games is a guilt, much more than the government. It's pretty sarcastic that in China, typically parents spend more time on their smartphone. However back in the day, parents don't have time to play with video games because they have less time to be addicted like kids. So they tried to forcibly control their kid about playing video games without any consideration. There even quite some parents who send their kids to do electroconvulsive therapy, just like the movie "A Clockwork Orange".
I personally think the video game is not a problem. Most adults won't play video games all day long because they have their work to do, but kids in school just have to deal with senseless homework, without seeing any points of doing it. When I look back, I always think I should fight more with parents and school, and spend more time on things I like, homework is not cost effective anyway.
I strongly believe the society should fix all other things instead of fixing kids. The problem is, fixing kids just seems too easy than those hard ways.
[1] About electroconvulsive therapy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Yongxin [2] A good movie about typical Chinese parenting: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3401962/
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#56How can anyone here endorse something like this in any way? I get that video game addiction is a real problem, but constant surveillance is not a healthy alternative. Some people are cool with this because "kids need to be studying or playing outside, not playing video games!". But this is just an instance where your interests happen to shallowly align with the government's. By the time we get to an issue you take of…
I agree with you competely. The chinese government should not be forcing this.
The reason parents jump on such meassures is that parenting is very hard. Everytime you make or enforce a rule you put some distance between you and your child. And while that's necessary it can be very unpleasant. Personally, we are not permissive at all but we are always glad for when some external circumstances forces what we think is best.
So there is a real danger that parents are tempted to delegate their parenting to the government because it's much easier and also because it absolves them of responsibility. Of course, that is a spectacularly bad idea.
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#57How can anyone here endorse something like this in any way? I get that video game addiction is a real problem, but constant surveillance is not a healthy alternative. Some people are cool with this because "kids need to be studying or playing outside, not playing video games!". But this is just an instance where your interests happen to shallowly align with the government's. By the time we get to an issue you take of…
I wish i could setup a time limit like this for my kids‘ games.
You probably could. Windows 10 and XBOX have a family thing where you can set times and block applications. There is an app for android called screentime that does a similar thing. You can also set time limits on PS4 accounts (they have to be PSN account though, I think)
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#58Many games in China implement limits like this. World of warcraft has a fatigue system that scales xp for example
The difference with WoW is that it frames it as a temporary bonus for time logged out, rather than a penalty for time logged in, with the "normal" progression being the lower rate.
No, there are multiple systems in China. All other regions have rested xp, but in this region, extended playtime reduces your regular xp rate all the way to zero. You can see it in the api as "fatigue" scaling
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#59How can anyone here endorse something like this in any way? I get that video game addiction is a real problem, but constant surveillance is not a healthy alternative. Some people are cool with this because "kids need to be studying or playing outside, not playing video games!". But this is just an instance where your interests happen to shallowly align with the government's. By the time we get to an issue you take of…
I can’t help not being offended, and “this slope is so slippery only being offended by trifles can save us” isn’t the compelling position you seem to think it is. The fact is that the slope is rarely slippery, there are often May chances to reinforce or overturn such trends in a relatively free society (which of course China isn’t). No amount of pearl-clutching is going to change that, sorry.
I find that the opposite is the case, the slopes are so slippery that I don't think slippery slope is a real fallacy anymore. Three examples:
* In the UK and other CW countries the police now come to talk to you about your tweets or even arrest you: https://reason.com/archives/2018/09/15/britain-turns-offensi...
* After gun control in the UK knife crime soared. Now they literally have knife control:
http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/13/britains-knife-control-b...
* Twitter now bans and deletes for "learn to code".