Homosexuality in giraffes and other non-human animals

Post by contras1970 » Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 5:00 AM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #97

nintendo95 wrote: post #76

Serious question: does anyone know how are homosexual monkeys treated by their peers? Basically, I was wondering if there is a proof of them being discriminated/treated badly by their peers.

I don’t know who badgerigar is, but his comment was flagged and killed, even though it is scientifially correct. Although animals have been observed to have same-sex coupling, they mix it up with males and females. In the animal kingdom the only species that have been observed to have exclusively homosexual sex are humans and domesticated sheep. One would think that a sexual organism never having heterosexual sex wou…

Post by toasterlovin » Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 5:27 AM UTC

zamalek wrote: post #117

MatekCopatek wrote: post #5

My go-to link for countering " is unnatural" was [1], this article seems like a great one to add to the arsenal :). That's not to say I believe human behaviour should somehow be judged by finding equivalents in the animal kingdom (what a silly concept!), it's just fun to point out to someone that even their ridiculous point is technically incorrect. [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20140723175514/http://www.blaghag...

I have no scientific rigor for this, but the possibility for relationships that do not bear offspring makes a ton of evolutionary sense. By including homosexuality into a species, you have members who are able to gather and process energy without contributing to population growth. Population growth is a good thing, but too much is detrimental to the species (at least if you don't have access to agriculture). In addit…

Post by kakarot » Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 5:33 AM UTC

dTal wrote: post #64

kakarot wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't typically have sex with things I'm not attracted to... And even if psychologically my sexual impulse seems different from that of an animal's, it's biologically the same. What purpose does this distinction serve?

Many people do have sex with people they're not attracted to, and many people do not have sex with people they are attracted to. The distinction is useful. Consider: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_who_have_sex_with_men

Post by Hasknewbie » Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 5:35 AM UTC

refurb wrote: post #93

fenwick67 wrote: post #4

I am always so torn when people make the argument that homosexuality is natural and therefore okay. It relies on the naturalistic fallacy which I don't like, but it also shuts down people who make the argument that homosexuality is unnatural and therefore bad, which I do like. Ultimately, homosexuality in humans is fine not because it's natural, but because we should, by default, let consenting adults do what they wa…

“Let two consenting adults do what they want to do” has it’s limits too?” Like the guy who agreed to be murdered and eaten in Germany?

Post by toasterlovin » Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 5:35 AM UTC

contras1970 wrote: post #121

EGreg wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know who badgerigar is, but his comment was flagged and killed, even though it is scientifially correct. Although animals have been observed to have same-sex coupling, they mix it up with males and females. In the animal kingdom the only species that have been observed to have exclusively homosexual sex are humans and domesticated sheep. One would think that a sexual organism never having heterosexual sex wou…

> One would think that a sexual organism never having heterosexual sex would be a huge evolutionary fitness disadvantage Genes do not "care" for individual organisms. If they did we would be immortal. Jared Diamond argued that the presence of homosexual uncles/aunts is the same kind of an advantage as the presence of no-longer-breeding grandparents. > such a trait would be extremely uncommon. Homosexuality is pretty…