There is free speech, and then there is sensible. In NZ we don't use the perpetrators name and we don't want you looking at his messages. Get over it!
His name was Brenton Tarrant.
He has no name! Not now.
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#12Not everyone holds the same absolute views on freedom of speech as those drawn up in the American constitution. There is also plenty of opposing views of a "constitutionally limited government" that seems to be at the heart of American culture.
Frankly, it's pretty disturbing how many Americans are unable to comprehend that their way isn't the "only way" that can be valid.
The New Zealand Bill of Rights provides freedom of expression, but it's also limited by the human rights act. Racial disharmony is illegal. Even if the shooter didn't follow through with the shootings, he could have been punished for simply publishing that manifesto of his.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, we could just turn the entire internet off, then the messages would surely be hidden. Archive.is has a lot more than one page.
Well that would be silly.
the point is, you have to draw a line somewhere, and if the line is "nobody can see anything this guy wrote" then the collateral damage is going to be perhaps just too much.
When I said Archive.is has more than one page, I meant we're blocking millions of non-offending pages for the sake of blocking one that offends.
So, how far will we go? Block Archive.is? Block Facebook? The whole internet?
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#14My apologies. Might I ask a question, please?
How do we otherwise stop the internet being hacked to support these vile creatures?
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#15The government of New Zealand’s entire response to the shooting incident, as well as the public’s cheering for it, is the most disturbing Orwellian thing I’ve ever seen. The level of authoritarian curbing of freedoms that has seemingly happened overnight at the stroke of a pen should seriously concern anyone who values constitutionally limited government. I’m all for the debate, but as an American it’s unimaginable t…
If NZ is actually, as is widely reported, a great bolt hole for the elite, then the last thing you as a member of the elite want to have in a massive economic downturn and crisis, is a ticked off bunch of natives to the area with firearms and a real time communication system, isn't it?
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
>we don't want you looking at his messages. Get over it! Do you realize how authoritarian you sound?
Yes. I know!. It's been a bad week.
There will always be a bad week, a tragedy, a heinous crime, an 'attack on your way of life' - that is when you must fight for your freedoms the hardest, because that is when they will be taken if you don't.
Re: ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent
#17Not everyone holds the same absolute views on freedom of speech as those drawn up in the American constitution. There is also plenty of opposing views of a "constitutionally limited government" that seems to be at the heart of American culture. Frankly, it's pretty disturbing how many Americans are unable to comprehend that their way isn't the "only way" that can be valid. The New Zealand Bill of Rights provides free…
The New Zealand Bill of Rights is the single most toothless, feeble, pointless piece of legislation I have ever read.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1990/0109/latest/D...
Literally everything else overrides it, if I'm reading this right:
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Other enactments not affected
No court shall, in relation to any enactment (whether passed or made before or after the commencement of this Bill of Rights),—
(a)hold any provision of the enactment to be impliedly repealed or revoked, or to be in any way invalid or ineffective; or
(b)decline to apply any provision of the enactment—
by reason only that the provision is inconsistent with any provision of this Bill of Rights.So if every other law automatically overrides it, what is the point? Are they even rights at all, at that point?
We need a stronger set of rights.
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#18Those websites were distributing material that was illegal under New Zealand law (content relating to the recent terrorist attack).
Any person in New Zealand who possesses objectionable content is liable for imprisonment for up to 10 years. Distributing the objectionable content can result in imprisonment for up to 14 years.
The ISPs were simply declining to distribute or possess the objectionable content (which would have be illegal for them to distribute or possess).
https://www.dia.govt.nz/Censorship-Objectionable-and-Restric...
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#19Not everyone holds the same absolute views on freedom of speech as those drawn up in the American constitution. There is also plenty of opposing views of a "constitutionally limited government" that seems to be at the heart of American culture. Frankly, it's pretty disturbing how many Americans are unable to comprehend that their way isn't the "only way" that can be valid. The New Zealand Bill of Rights provides free…
Americans are unable to comprehend it in the same way that the civilised world cannot comprehend enslaving another. Just as enslaving others is wrong, limiting free speech is wrong, and inherently contradictory. Limited speech is not free. It is time for the rest of the world to understand this, and the US could use a refresher as well.
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#20The government of New Zealand’s entire response to the shooting incident, as well as the public’s cheering for it, is the most disturbing Orwellian thing I’ve ever seen. The level of authoritarian curbing of freedoms that has seemingly happened overnight at the stroke of a pen should seriously concern anyone who values constitutionally limited government. I’m all for the debate, but as an American it’s unimaginable t…
"is the most disturbing Orwellian thing I’ve ever seen"
I think you need to go re-read some Orwell books.