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American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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TFA also makes another good point but somehow makes it sound evil; In low-cost cities, landlord profit rates rise steeply alongside neighborhood poverty. But in expensive cities, the reverse is true. In expensive cities, landlords make money through appreciation and gentrification (which is bad enough for the poor). In lower-cost, more economically hard-hit cities, they make it on the backs of the poor. If the home v…

>of course the rent will have to be higher to provide the necessary return on capital Rent is set by supply and demand. There's no law - economic or otherwise - saying that it is necessary for landlords or anybody else to yield a return on capital. In reality if the value of a home is falling or flat landlords do often try to raise rents in order to recoup losses and sometimes this leads to even greater losses as ten…

> Rent is set by supply and demand. There's no law - economic or otherwise - saying that it is necessary for landlords or anybody else to yield a return on capital.

Investment opportunities are also a market with supply and demand. The demand for a high risk investment with low expected return is approximately zero.

If there are more attractive investment opportunities (higher expected return with lower risk) then money will flow there instead.

US treasuries provide a backstop for the minimum expected return on capital. It’s throwing away money to invest in something non-liquid with an expected return lower than, say, 1 month T-bills, which are currently about 2.5% APY.

Of course it’s possible to lose money renting a particular unit, or over a particular timescale, but we’re talking about the long-term macroeconomics, where this is not the case. Hence expected rate of return, which has an average and variance.

In that sense the long-term macroeconomics dictate that yes there is an “economic law” which says rental properties must provide a positive return on capital. Or else there would be no market for rental properties.

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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Skimming the article, an obvious solution seems to be overlooked. Someone is probably a lot less likely to trash/destroy something they own / are in the process of owning. Imagine if there was far less rental and much more liquid stock of housing units in markets? What if everyone who was renting now could actually "buy" livable housing at that same level of rent; rather than lining the pockets of others?

Owning a home then limits mobility. If you need to find a job that requires you to move, it’s going to be a lot harder.

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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You don’t even have to go that far to make the argument. As a landlord, I would vastly prefer to be renting out 10 homes worth $180k (preferably in different markets) than one worth 10x as much just to diversify a little and avoid capital concentration issues.

That would actually drive prices in the other direction. Pushing up the price to rent ratio on cheaper homes.

Sure, but I’m willing to sacrifice a little return for diversification. Everyone who invests in index funds is, too. As long as the return is still reasonable, 10 units still Beats 1 unit worth 10x as much.

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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Buying and selling a home has huge transaction fees which destroy this argument. Worse, economy of scale still applies with apartment complexes paying less for the same services than condo owners.

Transactions fees don't destroy the economics of supply and demand.

“100% occupancy, no expenses to find tenants“

You very much need to find an owner or tenant when you move out. Further, someone needed to pay to find you when you move in. Move every 3-5 years and home ownership is really expensive.

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>of course the rent will have to be higher to provide the necessary return on capital Rent is set by supply and demand. There's no law - economic or otherwise - saying that it is necessary for landlords or anybody else to yield a return on capital. In reality if the value of a home is falling or flat landlords do often try to raise rents in order to recoup losses and sometimes this leads to even greater losses as ten…

> Rent is set by supply and demand. There's no law - economic or otherwise - saying that it is necessary for landlords or anybody else to yield a return on capital. Investment opportunities are also a market with supply and demand. The demand for a high risk investment with low expected return is approximately zero. If there are more attractive investment opportunities (higher expected return with lower risk) then mo…

> rental properties must provide a positive return on capital

To new investors.

GP's point is that the causality is from rent to sale price. In any year any owner (or agent) more or less tries to charge the rent they can get. If this declines, there's nothing an individual owner can do about it. Badly wanting more doesn't open up any new channels to charge more rent (and may even lead you to play your hand sub-optimally).

But a prospective new owner certainly looks at the return, and won't bother to invest if T-bills would pay as well, and hence the sale price will adjust. (And of course buyers may pay for things other than rent, like a belief that prices will rise.)

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Transactions fees don't destroy the economics of supply and demand.

“100% occupancy, no expenses to find tenants“ You very much need to find an owner or tenant when you move out. Further, someone needed to pay to find you when you move in. Move every 3-5 years and home ownership is really expensive.

> You very much need to find an owner or tenant when you move out. Further, someone needed to pay to find you when you move in

But this is true whether you buy to occupy or rent.

> Move every 3-5 years and home ownership is really expensive.

I'm not sure that landlords own homes for significantly longer than buyers.

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That would actually drive prices in the other direction. Pushing up the price to rent ratio on cheaper homes.

Sure, but I’m willing to sacrifice a little return for diversification. Everyone who invests in index funds is, too. As long as the return is still reasonable, 10 units still Beats 1 unit worth 10x as much.

Sure but this should drive up the price of 10 units over the price of the 1 unit that 10x as big.

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> The economics of this has to do with marginal utility mainly and nothing to do with exploitation. That's vacuously true when you simply ignore the existence of exploitative landlords (aka slum lords) who fail to maintain their units because they know that vulnerable populations lack the resources to fight back.

So, it’s the existence of “slum lords” that causes the higher profit margins? Interesting. So, if you buy a home in an area with lots of slum lords, the you make more? Seems like there would be a lot of money pouring into slum lord areas. Seems like that would drive housing prices up...and either rents would have to go up or profits would fall.

There isn't of course, because of what's required:

1) you must destroy people on occasion, make them homeless

2) crime, violence and cleaning up

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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Actually... According to the research source landlords do charge more due to increased risk: "Because landlords operating in poor communities face more risks, they hedge their position by raising rents on all tenants." https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/701697

>Because landlords operating in poor communities face more risks >Since losses are rare , landlords typically realize the surplus risk charge as higher profits The author of this study appears to be confused as to what risk is. Behind a paywall unfortunately, so it's difficult to tell if he's just made two contradictory assumptions in his abstract or if there's something deeper going on. I suspect slumlords actually…

This paper might argue that the risk/reward ratio is lower than other similarly risky investments, which would substantiate the article's argument that landlords are greedy and generally bad. But good point, the abstraction of risk is something like a veil used to make landlords and investors sleep at night.

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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The author has one data point and he doesn't even explain: Does this profit include risk, legal expenses, other expenses? I mean, if the average for these three classes is different this suggests one of two things:

1. The free market has failed for some reason; and there exists an arbitrage opportunity. Buy in poor neighborhoods and sell in middle-class.

2. There exists some fundamental reason why investors despise poor neighborhoods: Maybe things are volatile there? Maybe the risk of destroying the property is higher? Maybe it require more expertise?

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