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American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly! Also upkeep. Replacing a cheap shingle roof vs a metal or Spanish tile roof are night and day in costs. Plumbing is cheaper in a cheap small house with simple layout vs. Sprawling multi-level house. Size of grounds (and expected level care) to maintain are different. It goes on and on, but the gist is that the total net on a cheap house (ie. houses in cheap areas) is going to be more for the same level…

TFA also makes another good point but somehow makes it sound evil; In low-cost cities, landlord profit rates rise steeply alongside neighborhood poverty. But in expensive cities, the reverse is true. In expensive cities, landlords make money through appreciation and gentrification (which is bad enough for the poor). In lower-cost, more economically hard-hit cities, they make it on the backs of the poor. If the home v…

There is a sense it this new socio-political climate that we live in, that people should not invest to actually make money, but only use what money they have to make other people's lives easier or better.

I am not saying that this is a terrible goal, but it is wildly unrealistic for people that are not billionaires.

Sadly, however, this ends up in accusations of exploitation, both because of these (imo unreasonable) thoughts, but also because there is a wild lack of economic literacy.

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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I think you also have to take in to account the higher risk of renting to lower income individuals. They are more likely not to pay. They are probably also more likely to trash the place.

We are talking about the average profit and risk without knowing the difference in default or move out, vacancy etc. I would think people with housing options would be a higher risk than people without housing options...ie they can afford to just leave if they want to. A person with limited housing options will go without things being fixed right away and can't necessarily afford to defend themselves in court or to just move out.

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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This article is so silly and the answers so obvious.

It's not some exploitative factors driving a difference in rent. It's other factors driving a difference in price. Every landlord knows you can make more money in low income areas, and especially with section 8. But they still don't buy there because those areas are rougher, many landlords or middle to upper class and don't necessarily understand those neighborhoods, and you have to deal with more evictions.

And the biggest difference is that low income people can't afford/don't have the credit/down payment to buy. So there is a lot less competition for ownership there than a high income neighborhood.

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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post #44

Can confirm, I work for a company that helps landlords finance the purchase and repair of rental properties. In certain very LCOL urban areas around NYC and Philadelphia, we have individuals with tens of millions of dollars of property spread out among ~$150k buildings. They inspect their portfolio with armed bodyguards, and they very often own other businesses in the same neighborhoods that throw off money in small…

>An an interesting aside, these individuals are almost all involved with close-knit religious groups to which they contribute great deals of capital. Before an edit, the above comment referred to "close-knit religious groups" surrounded by triple parentheses[0]. These are used by white supremacist and anti-Semitic posters to denote or refer to Jews. They are not, to my knowledge, an idiom commonly used in any other c…

I wrote that comment using a new account to avoid being outed at work. To be very clear: your accusation is false, there was never any special parentheses, and I invite an admin to confirm that if they can.

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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post #44

Can confirm, I work for a company that helps landlords finance the purchase and repair of rental properties. In certain very LCOL urban areas around NYC and Philadelphia, we have individuals with tens of millions of dollars of property spread out among ~$150k buildings. They inspect their portfolio with armed bodyguards, and they very often own other businesses in the same neighborhoods that throw off money in small…

>An an interesting aside, these individuals are almost all involved with close-knit religious groups to which they contribute great deals of capital. Before an edit, the above comment referred to "close-knit religious groups" surrounded by triple parentheses[0]. These are used by white supremacist and anti-Semitic posters to denote or refer to Jews. They are not, to my knowledge, an idiom commonly used in any other c…

From HN guidelines:

>Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

(I'm a bit torn about pointing this out in this case, but I've seen way too many people falsely accused of bigotry because people chose to interpret comments in a way different from intended. Still, this is clearly a throwaway account).

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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post #82

It’s a well known fact that as property value rises the yield on rental income decreases. A $180k townhouse can rent for $1600/mo but a $1.8m McMansion isn’t going to rent for $16,000/mo. The economics of this has to do with marginal utility mainly and nothing to do with exploitation . There’s also the calculation of fixed rental costs which derive a larger portion of the monthly payment the lower the payment gets. I…

I'm confused. If the marginal utility of a mcmansion is not ten times that of the town house, then why does the mcmansion sell for ten times the price? Are you saying it's being used as a store or value or investment or something?

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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post #107
post #82

It’s a well known fact that as property value rises the yield on rental income decreases. A $180k townhouse can rent for $1600/mo but a $1.8m McMansion isn’t going to rent for $16,000/mo. The economics of this has to do with marginal utility mainly and nothing to do with exploitation . There’s also the calculation of fixed rental costs which derive a larger portion of the monthly payment the lower the payment gets. I…

I'm confused. If the marginal utility of a mcmansion is not ten times that of the town house, then why does the mcmansion sell for ten times the price? Are you saying it's being used as a store or value or investment or something?

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Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>An an interesting aside, these individuals are almost all involved with close-knit religious groups to which they contribute great deals of capital. Before an edit, the above comment referred to "close-knit religious groups" surrounded by triple parentheses[0]. These are used by white supremacist and anti-Semitic posters to denote or refer to Jews. They are not, to my knowledge, an idiom commonly used in any other c…

I wrote that comment using a new account to avoid being outed at work. To be very clear: your accusation is false, there was never any special parentheses, and I invite an admin to confirm that if they can.

>To be very clear: your accusation is false, there was never any special parentheses, and I invite an admin to confirm that if they can.

There were, I saw them, other people saw them, they were copied into eli_gottlieb's comment. His comment is flagged now, but it's still visible to some users. Whether an admin can or does confirm it is irrelevant.

You made a green account, and you screwed up with some 4chan nonsense. Just reroll and don't do it again.

Re: American landlords derive more profit from renters in low-income neighborhoods

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post #82

It’s a well known fact that as property value rises the yield on rental income decreases. A $180k townhouse can rent for $1600/mo but a $1.8m McMansion isn’t going to rent for $16,000/mo. The economics of this has to do with marginal utility mainly and nothing to do with exploitation . There’s also the calculation of fixed rental costs which derive a larger portion of the monthly payment the lower the payment gets. I…

> The economics of this has to do with marginal utility mainly and nothing to do with exploitation.

That's vacuously true when you simply ignore the existence of exploitative landlords (aka slum lords) who fail to maintain their units because they know that vulnerable populations lack the resources to fight back.

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