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AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Are there rules for enforcing (and by whom?) the term “5G”? Or is it like the word “natural” for health food?

I am in downtown Denver Colorado and can’t even reach 10Mbps on 4G LTE (Att). In the Czech Republic, on a prepaid SIM card, I received around 50Mbps, many years ago. I have zero trust in these wireless generation differences. There are so many other variables in end-user speed.

Most of the time you can feel the difference in "wireless generation differences." But USA isn't one of them.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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4G was supposed to achieve 100mbit peaks and I have yet to see speeds even approaching this with 4G LTE. So if somebody is enforcing advertising rules they're doing a shit job...

4G was originally supposed to be gigabit before carriers started branding LTE as 4G.

LTE was supposed to be 4G, before carriers starting branding HSPA+ as 4G.

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The requirements for the proposed 4G spec are actually even higher than that -- 100Mbps was for high-mobility clients, whereas low-mobility clients were promised 1Gbps speeds. https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/m/R-REC-M.1645-0-20... page 9 defines high / low mobility as follows: "low mobility covers pedestrian speed, and high mobility covers high speed on highways or fast trains (60 km/h to ~250 km/h, or more)…

The ITU IMT standards are dumb and meaningless. They just set aspirational targets, but don’t define any technology for meeting those targets. ITU jumped from 200 kbps for 3G to 1 gigabit for 4G. That was not a useful definition and the market correctly ignored it. Imagine if we had “3G” wired networking defined as 100 mbps and “4G” wired networking aspirationally defined as 10 gigabit. What would you do when the IEE…

>The ITU IMT standards are dumb and meaningless.

The last time AT&T did this the ITU's response was "4G can now also be 3G with 'substantial improvements'"

Source: http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.as...

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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4G was supposed to achieve 100mbit peaks and I have yet to see speeds even approaching this with 4G LTE. So if somebody is enforcing advertising rules they're doing a shit job...

LTE's initial iterations were actually not considered 4G by definition. Part of the longterm evolution part was that as the components were upgraded they would comply with 4G. I can break 100mbps down in a few places on an iphone SE with only a cat3 modem, but that's pushing the spec's real-world limit for that. Today these speeds are easily achievable on most networks, it's just unlikely for AT&T due to congestion a…

Some LTE service out there is worse than properly tuned non-HSPA 3G.

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4G was supposed to achieve 100mbit peaks and I have yet to see speeds even approaching this with 4G LTE. So if somebody is enforcing advertising rules they're doing a shit job...

LTE's initial iterations were actually not considered 4G by definition. Part of the longterm evolution part was that as the components were upgraded they would comply with 4G. I can break 100mbps down in a few places on an iphone SE with only a cat3 modem, but that's pushing the spec's real-world limit for that. Today these speeds are easily achievable on most networks, it's just unlikely for AT&T due to congestion a…

They were 4G by definition because the definition of 4G is the 4th generation, and LTE is *clearly" that, despite what some idiots in the ITU may try and claim.

The 3G/4G/etc labels are descriptive, not prescriptive.

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I am in downtown Denver Colorado and can’t even reach 10Mbps on 4G LTE (Att). In the Czech Republic, on a prepaid SIM card, I received around 50Mbps, many years ago. I have zero trust in these wireless generation differences. There are so many other variables in end-user speed.

Centennial here - 9Mbps download / 0.9Mbps upload

I’m in Centennial and get ~45Mbps down 7Mbps up with Verizon. Who are you with?

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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It depends entirely where you are. Here in Maryland I’m getting over 200 mbps down on an iPhone XR: https://www.speedtest.net/result/i/3160011117

The requirements for the proposed 4G spec are actually even higher than that -- 100Mbps was for high-mobility clients, whereas low-mobility clients were promised 1Gbps speeds. https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/m/R-REC-M.1645-0-20... page 9 defines high / low mobility as follows: "low mobility covers pedestrian speed, and high mobility covers high speed on highways or fast trains (60 km/h to ~250 km/h, or more)…

LTE does achieve up to 100 Mbps on a highway for me in Serbia, and LTE Advanced does up to 150 Mbps while stationary in a crowded city area with a base station far away. However, that is nowhere near 1 Gbps. I don't know any devices getting over 300 Mbps over LTE Advanced (4G+).
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