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AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can easily get over 100Mbps on LTE, this is what I'm getting now: https://www.speedtest.net/result/a/4793874317

Nice. Can I get this all over Krakow on a tourist Sim?

When it comes to this "Play" carrier in Poland high speeds are for contracts, prepaid SIMs are limited to 70 Mbps

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

#52

Are there rules for enforcing (and by whom?) the term “5G”? Or is it like the word “natural” for health food?

I am in downtown Denver Colorado and can’t even reach 10Mbps on 4G LTE (Att). In the Czech Republic, on a prepaid SIM card, I received around 50Mbps, many years ago. I have zero trust in these wireless generation differences. There are so many other variables in end-user speed.

I'm 15 minutes south of Denver and outside my house I barely get 2 bars of LTE and speeds are awful.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The requirements for the proposed 4G spec are actually even higher than that -- 100Mbps was for high-mobility clients, whereas low-mobility clients were promised 1Gbps speeds. https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/m/R-REC-M.1645-0-20... page 9 defines high / low mobility as follows: "low mobility covers pedestrian speed, and high mobility covers high speed on highways or fast trains (60 km/h to ~250 km/h, or more)…

The ITU IMT standards are dumb and meaningless. They just set aspirational targets, but don’t define any technology for meeting those targets. ITU jumped from 200 kbps for 3G to 1 gigabit for 4G. That was not a useful definition and the market correctly ignored it. Imagine if we had “3G” wired networking defined as 100 mbps and “4G” wired networking aspirationally defined as 10 gigabit. What would you do when the IEE…

Without any sort of backing specification, the terminology of 3G vs 4G vs 5G is dumb and meaningless, as we see with AT&T calling their network 5G (E), even though it's no better than what their competitors call 4G.

Also, it's disingenuous to describe the jump as from 200kbps to 1Gbps, since HSDPA offering 14Mbps was already being deployed prior to when this particular ITU standard came out.

(https://www.gsma.com/aboutus/gsm-technology indicates deployments of HSDPA started in 2005)

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

#55

Are there rules for enforcing (and by whom?) the term “5G”? Or is it like the word “natural” for health food?

4G was supposed to achieve 100mbit peaks and I have yet to see speeds even approaching this with 4G LTE. So if somebody is enforcing advertising rules they're doing a shit job...

I got a 312 Mbit download Speed test the other day on my S10+. I will not be accepting Telstra's free Samsung S10 5g upgrade offer.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

#56

Are there rules for enforcing (and by whom?) the term “5G”? Or is it like the word “natural” for health food?

> Are there rules for enforcing (and by whom?) the term “5G”? Or is it like the word “natural” for health food? Alternatively, they can slowly phase out 4g like they did with 3G. This is very useful if you have pesky customers stuck on cheap all you can eat data plans. The paranoid part of me wonders if it'll be an excuse to shunt people off of cheap plans.

Alternatively, they can slowly phase out 4g like they did with 3G. This is very useful if you have pesky customers stuck on cheap all you can eat data plans.

The funny thing is that all that used 3G gear, at least the good stuff, seems to have gone to the deeply rural areas.

I know a few towns that, as recently as last month, only have 3G service. But the data speeds I get roaming there on 3G are almost double what I get at home on AT&T with full bars of LTE.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t find anything in the Communications Act of 1934 that gives the FCC jurisdiction over marketing practices.

What makes you think the FCC doesn't have jurisdiction over deceptive marketing?

What's deceptive about calling something "5G"? It means "fifth generation". I would say the problem is the root terminological choice to identify systems by names that are completely devoid of meaning, not AT&T's subsequent choice to apply the existing terminology correctly (!).

The "5" in "5G" is just a version number; it ticks up whenever someone decides they want it to.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

#58

Are there rules for enforcing (and by whom?) the term “5G”? Or is it like the word “natural” for health food?

4G was supposed to achieve 100mbit peaks and I have yet to see speeds even approaching this with 4G LTE. So if somebody is enforcing advertising rules they're doing a shit job...

I can get around 100 here with my Verizon hotspot.

https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/3127192452

Most places seem to be around the 40mbps mark but when visiting SoCal it drops to anywhere from 2mbps to 30.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

#59

Are there rules for enforcing (and by whom?) the term “5G”? Or is it like the word “natural” for health food?

I am in downtown Denver Colorado and can’t even reach 10Mbps on 4G LTE (Att). In the Czech Republic, on a prepaid SIM card, I received around 50Mbps, many years ago. I have zero trust in these wireless generation differences. There are so many other variables in end-user speed.

Centennial here - 9Mbps download / 0.9Mbps upload

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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post #26

You would think the FCC would have something to say about this.

I can’t find anything in the Communications Act of 1934 that gives the FCC jurisdiction over marketing practices.

FCC is allowed to regulate specific terms like what internet qualifies as broadband. Curious how it applies here.
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