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Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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I think you're comparing apples to oranges here. If you reclaim a parking space for another use (such as building accommodation for families or an animal shelter), you're not depriving the car of anything, it's an expensive, large piece of metal and is not sentient. Next, you'll say that you're depriving car owners from the practicality of parking their vehicles anywhere they like. I'm perfectly fine with depriving c…

So we should never have parking lots, because they could be repurposed into homes for homeless people? I feel this is only really relevant to high-density cities that are being underdeveloped because of local regulations and NIMBY. Most of America has plenty of space when it comes down to it. And aren't the parking lots this article is talking about basically public access parking for beaches? Do ya'll really think i…

In all honesty, I'm not sure I understand your train of thought[0]: why would re-purposing beach parking into housing be dumb as an absolute?

There are probably places where that would be dumb and others where the community as a whole would benefit from increased housing availability?

Most of America has plenty of space but why would anyone agree to live in bumfuck nowhere? How could they make a living out of nowhere (remote jobs are, in the grand scheme of things, a drop in the bucket)? Why should they forego access to health services, community & the fabric of society? Some human beings enjoying being solitary but we all crave to various degrees of social interaction.

To answer your comment in a too simplistic way: if parking does take room away from shelter, yes, absolutely, that's very bad urban planning & if done on purpose is a "violation" of the rights of those who needed that shelter. Except that life & urban planning aren't always that cut and dry and we need parking space, shops, warehouses, factories, housing & animal shelters and a myriad other things, as well as stop urban sprawling as much as possible.

[0]there might be a cultural/language bias generated by me having english as a 2nd language

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sef/sefSmiley.htm :-)

I propose a technological solution to this problem: HN needs a sarcasm checkbox on each comment.

Yes that will really help those of us who can't read English.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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There have been many such people. You have to do it stealthily though, because if Google finds out, it has to kick you off campus due to zoning issues. Any support the company gave is in the long past now.

I wonder, can you get away with it at the Mountain View Walmart? In most of the country Walmart is ok with letting people sleep in their cars/rvs there. But I could see the Mountain View location having different rules

Wal-Mart likely intended for you to stay in the lot overnight after some shopping during your trip, not live there. Which is why a lot of Wal-Marts (or by new city ordinance) don’t allow it anymore.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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This comes off as super NIMBYish. The rise of this lifestyle is a direct result of rising inequality in our society. Yeah, that mother of 2 living in a vehicle probably has way bigger problems than paying for disposal service. But people utilizing services they can't pay for is what concerns you, not the fact that so many people are in such dire financial straits that living in a car makes economic sense.

Use of the word "NIMBY", which is clearly a pejorative, is not an argument. I don't see why that diminishes the parent comment at all. The rise of this lifestyle is a direct result of people feeling entitled. Take the musician in the article ("Lily"). She's trying to make a career in indie rock, playing local gigs. That can't be your full-time job unless you are exceptionally talented, to a degree where others value…

Believe I'm Shadow banned (kinda like NYIBY's?), but here goes.

1. I guarantee Lilly has zero social/emotional/financial help.

In the article, she claimed she didn't want to give out her last name due to family embarrassment. If true, I have seen homless individuals whom come from means, but those family members never help.

I knew one lady who let her 65 year old mother live in the crawl space of her daughters house. Yes--three feet high. And she wondered why her mother drank a few beers before climbing in the sleeping bag.

Another guy, I knew was homless for a decade. He was actually one of the key developers onnthe original Word Star. He died on the streets. He had nine brothers, and sisters. On Facebook, they claimed they face him 10's of thousands of dollars over the years. They were lying.

I could go on, and on.

1. When your living in a vechicle, with limited funds; it's hard to think as logically as you.

2. They have a saying, homless for a year, brain damaged for life. No--Psychologists don't use the term, but the homless do. It's not a lofty concept. It's just the daily stress that comes with no shelter, no money, logical people who look at you like excrement, anxiety, depression; and an colon that isn't on a logical time plan. (Hell--I can't find a bathroom in many cities, and I'm doing ok.)

3. I'm loosing track if what I'm saying, but every homless person I have know had no real support. Their families don't help. Their friends stop returning calls. Society turns their back on them. And once you get a few tickets, you end up with a record, and worse off. Oh yea, if we don't do something about homelessness; I have a weird feeling we will see individuals breaking the law just to get into prison.

4. The the Logical guy whom I'm responding too, spend a few weeks on the streets, and see just how logical you become.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Why are some of these people staying in California? These people have cars and jobs. Why would they stay in a place they can’t afford to live? There are plenty of places in the US that have lower costs of living or better services for the impoverished and disabled.

Not to mention the mother was going to college for acting while her 3 kids were living in a cockroach and bugbed infested car. Talk about priorities, there are plenty of majors people can take that actually have the prospect of a positive income.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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There have been many such people. You have to do it stealthily though, because if Google finds out, it has to kick you off campus due to zoning issues. Any support the company gave is in the long past now.

I wonder, can you get away with it at the Mountain View Walmart? In most of the country Walmart is ok with letting people sleep in their cars/rvs there. But I could see the Mountain View location having different rules

Many Walmart’s have banned this type of activity due to people dumping raw sewage and trash everywhere. A few stealth camping YouTube channels talk about stuff like this.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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I lived in a van I converted for about 18 months, purely by choice. I had been living in luxury high rises in SF for many years before , excepting the 6 months I spent living in a house in South Bay while converting the van, and afterwards in on campus housing when I went back to graduate school afterwards.

My van was nicer than may of the places one could rent around the bay area. Oak floors, oak countertops, modern high end sink and faucet, designer light switches, high gloss push open cabinets (with electromagnetic locks when in motion).

I did it because I wanted to build something and I had the time to do it nights and weekends while working. There's nothing like learning multiple disciplines from woodworking to electrical, from insulation to plumbing, and applying it all to create something physical and comprehensive.

I parked mostly in my company parking lot during the weekdays. On the weekends, I parked in the Mission, where many others in vans did as well. In SF, it was clear that I was abusing a public good, but couldn't easily find a way around it. I would have happily paid for a monthly parking spot if there was one around the area, but there was no monthly surface parking available in the area.

I don't think van life is an answer to the untenable housing situation in california. It's a niche lifestyle, unsuitable and undesirable for most. However, I do think we need to get over this obsession with space. Space efficiency is something so entirely foreign to most Americans. Having excess space is culturally desired and fetishized. This is a cultural phenomenon, not necessarily good or bad. In a less densely populated region, having extra space is not a luxury. However, when space is so sparse, I do think we could, as a culture, benefit from a shift towards loving space efficiency more.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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>We give cars free places to sleep while people are homeless. This is basically the equivalent of saying, "People give pets free food and shelter while letting the homeless starve, what's wrong with our society" Sure sounds deep and meaningful, but really it isn't

If I said "you can't build apartments because this is zoned for low density dog houses" what you said _might_ be a relevant comparison.

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Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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I'm against live-in vehicles and this life-style choice. On paper it sounds fine but in reality horrible for many reasons. For the most part, people in this situation are in a challenging state and the least of their worries is the environment around them. Is a mother of 2 living in a small RV who relies on donations going to pay for disposal service? I live in Portland, a city that used to known for being a clean ci…

It's been a bit of a problem in parts of Sydney too. A lot of it is just backpackers camping or car-camping in parks. It's one thing to not want to crack down on the homeless or destitute but when it's tourists it seems like plain old freeloading - especially when we're talking about residential neighborhoods not remote areas.
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