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Oracle Swings the Layoff Axe

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Re: Oracle Swings the Layoff Axe

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I despise Oracle. And yet if faced with a choice I'd work for Oracle without hesitation before working for Google or Facebook.

I'd choose "none of the above".

Unless you've got a mortgage, young kids, a family member to take care of, or you like to eat consistently.

I lot of people talk big about not taking those jobs, but those that actually follow through are extremely rare.

Re: Oracle Swings the Layoff Axe

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The new cloud infrastructure group is kind of hidden gem. Its very different than the rest of Oracle. It started in Seattle about 4 years ago and is like 40% ex Amazon and 40% ex Microsoft. They also pay very well, because Oracle doesn't have a great reputation. The work is good, with a TON of room for growth and leadership. The goal is ambitious (take on the big players) and well funded. The people are good. Worklif…

Is the work enjoyable? I would assume you have to use only Oracle branded solutions/tools which I am not sure is for everyone.

I work at OCI. It's a pretty good gig, all things considered. Just my two cents. There isn't a super strong push to use The One True Corporate Solution as you mention, by and large we're given a very free hand in terms of tech selection.

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I left when the writing was on the wall; it took another 4 years for them to pull the plug on the rest of the (UK) group, because the slow-erosion strategy wasn't working quickly enough; but they were given a pretty fair treatment, by all accounts. Oracle is a massive company, even with trade unions here in Europe. They will not screw you over, as long as you agree that their first and foremost priority is their bank…

Could you describe the slow-erosion strategy?

In its most honest form, it's just letting attrition work naturally.

Slimy companies do things to undermine morale and make work untenable for established employees, especially the expensive senior ones. Good example is IBM abruptly banning remote work. Marissa Mayer was known for this kind of thing at Yahoo too.

Re: Oracle Swings the Layoff Axe

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I've been seeing quite a few layoff posts since the new year. Is this just my own bias or has anyone noticed an uptick in massive layoff events?

Some of it is recency bias, some of it is true. Combine it with stock market woes, yield curve, it makes you think.

Re: Oracle Swings the Layoff Axe

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If we compare software engineering to retail, not everyone can work for walmart (Google), but have to make do with the random dollar store chain (Oracle). There is only so many decent jobs you know.

I despise Oracle. And yet if faced with a choice I'd work for Oracle without hesitation before working for Google or Facebook.

From an ethical perspective, Oracle is mean to tech (open source, buyouts and so on, mean licensing setups with companies). On the other hand, Google and Facebook seem to contribute more to tech while being absolutely vile to the general public. Cutesy yellow and green bicycles and thumbs up signs don't negate the societal harm these companies have done by vacuuming personal data and selling it at such scale.

Then again, what is moral? Finance ? Ad tech? And don't say government, IT there is a wreck and a waste (enter Oracle, IBM contracts to piss taxpayer money to).

We're highly paid for a reason unfortunately.

Re: Oracle Swings the Layoff Axe

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I wouldnt be able to say why anyone would want to be working at oracle these days. What compelling reason does oracle even have to attract talent? (Im not being snide, seeious questions)

The new cloud infrastructure group is kind of hidden gem. Its very different than the rest of Oracle. It started in Seattle about 4 years ago and is like 40% ex Amazon and 40% ex Microsoft. They also pay very well, because Oracle doesn't have a great reputation. The work is good, with a TON of room for growth and leadership. The goal is ambitious (take on the big players) and well funded. The people are good. Worklif…

Why do you think Oracle has a chance at cloud? Honest question.

Their competition at the low end is Google, which doesn’t bode great on quality, and with AWS and Azure they’re fighting on quality and against strong enterprise groups. Not sure who would predict that would go well, but it’s a big market and I suppose they have to try.

I’ve seen Oracle cloud jobs and admittedly balked, no bone to pick with them but don’t see a bright future.

Re: Oracle Swings the Layoff Axe

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The new cloud infrastructure group is kind of hidden gem. Its very different than the rest of Oracle. It started in Seattle about 4 years ago and is like 40% ex Amazon and 40% ex Microsoft. They also pay very well, because Oracle doesn't have a great reputation. The work is good, with a TON of room for growth and leadership. The goal is ambitious (take on the big players) and well funded. The people are good. Worklif…

Why do you think Oracle has a chance at cloud? Honest question. Their competition at the low end is Google, which doesn’t bode great on quality, and with AWS and Azure they’re fighting on quality and against strong enterprise groups. Not sure who would predict that would go well, but it’s a big market and I suppose they have to try. I’ve seen Oracle cloud jobs and admittedly balked, no bone to pick with them but don’…

What are they calling “cloud”?

Netsuite does own the largest cloud-based ERP

Re: Oracle Swings the Layoff Axe

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If we compare software engineering to retail, not everyone can work for walmart (Google), but have to make do with the random dollar store chain (Oracle). There is only so many decent jobs you know.

Number 6 on the Forbes list of software companies, with a market cap of 176 billion. Their main product is very heavily used by a heck of a lot of companies. It's just a bit messy and configuration-intensive, so it doesn't get a lot of respect among the techerati. A software engineer looking for work could do a lot worse.

None of that means they make great products. Have you ever dealt with their support or engineers? Ugh.
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