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Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Van Life is becoming super popular, not just for the homeless, but for a generation of people who want to live on a limited income and travel. Theres people building out buses/vans and living in california, working tech, banking their money to retire early. About 20 years ago, I was working at ATT and we had contractors living in their travel trailers parked in the work parking lot at our datacenters, so its not a ne…

Van Life is becoming super popular I'm as intrigued as the next outdoors-loving fellow, but is it actually "super popular"? Do that many people, proportionately, take up van life? I suspect in the big picture it's still extremely niche, especially if you drill down to just people who are voluntary van dwellers.

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Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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>We give cars free places to sleep while people are homeless. This is basically the equivalent of saying, "People give pets free food and shelter while letting the homeless starve, what's wrong with our society" Sure sounds deep and meaningful, but really it isn't

I think you're comparing apples to oranges here. If you reclaim a parking space for another use (such as building accommodation for families or an animal shelter), you're not depriving the car of anything, it's an expensive, large piece of metal and is not sentient. Next, you'll say that you're depriving car owners from the practicality of parking their vehicles anywhere they like. I'm perfectly fine with depriving c…

So we should never have parking lots, because they could be repurposed into homes for homeless people?

I feel this is only really relevant to high-density cities that are being underdeveloped because of local regulations and NIMBY. Most of America has plenty of space when it comes down to it.

And aren't the parking lots this article is talking about basically public access parking for beaches? Do ya'll really think it's reasonable to say we need to remove public beach parking because it could be better used for condos? Because that's dumb, and that quote I responded to was said as if parking is a violation of human rights because it takes away room for shelter.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Do you have a source for that? Not disagreeing, but I'd be very interested in reading up on how a high-rise might negatively impact my health seeing as I live in one right now.

Source? Hah. My life. I lived most of it in the high-rises, and not slums at all. "Respectable neighbourhoods". I'm not talking about slums. I pity the people who choose to live in those anthills. I hate people who advocate to force other people to live in those. I'm talking about overcrowding. Not enough private space, not enough public space, not enough transport. And it's a death trap if something goes just slight…

Nobody is trying to force someone to live in a high-rise. If more people are in high-rises, that leaves more room for everyone else who doesn’t live in one.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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https://web.archive.org/web/20190322182840/https://www.baker...

I respect their (bakersfield.com) right to piss all over the regulation of 500 million people, and respectfully decide to ignore them and equally blacklist them. GDOR is the mitigating effor after years of abusing Safe Harbor both by state agents as well as from private companies. Instead of fixing their deal, they prefer to black list EU? Seriously? Go .... yourself, and I am returning the favor of black listing you…

Can you blame them? EU traffic probably accounts for a tiny fraction of their overall traffic. Rather than pay their (probably minuscule) engineering team to fix it, bakersfield.com probably ran the numbers are realized it would cost much less to just not serve traffic to the EU.

I'm sure this is hugely annoying and unexpected for EU visitors, but you gotta understand that you are not obligated to use their website, and the website is not obligated to serve its content to you.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Living in Berkeley/Oakland area I'm torn on this one we have a growing problem with tent encampments (in SF too) I don't know if this is anything but a cosmetic solution but its an interesting tact allowing people to overnight in vehicles.

Was just down in that area last week for vacation, and some areas just south of University Village (B) were amazingly packed with RVs. My daughter (who works near there) said that it's a mix of people sometimes - from the conscientious good (temporary) neighbors to the ones that leave a lot of trash and crap.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

#116
post #42

Van Life is becoming super popular, not just for the homeless, but for a generation of people who want to live on a limited income and travel. Theres people building out buses/vans and living in california, working tech, banking their money to retire early. About 20 years ago, I was working at ATT and we had contractors living in their travel trailers parked in the work parking lot at our datacenters, so its not a ne…

Van Life is becoming super popular I'm as intrigued as the next outdoors-loving fellow, but is it actually "super popular"? Do that many people, proportionately, take up van life? I suspect in the big picture it's still extremely niche, especially if you drill down to just people who are voluntary van dwellers.

Yes,mit's getting pretty popular.

I read Nomadland by Jessica Bruder earlier this year. A significant number of baby-boomers have taken to the road, often because of a lack of retirement funds.

Having gotten a travel trailer 18 mos ago and travelled a bit in CAlifornia, it's amazing what you see when your eyes are tuned to it a bit.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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https://web.archive.org/web/20190322182840/https://www.baker...

I respect their (bakersfield.com) right to piss all over the regulation of 500 million people, and respectfully decide to ignore them and equally blacklist them. GDOR is the mitigating effor after years of abusing Safe Harbor both by state agents as well as from private companies. Instead of fixing their deal, they prefer to black list EU? Seriously? Go .... yourself, and I am returning the favor of black listing you…

"You can't fire me, I quit!"

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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There have been many such people. You have to do it stealthily though, because if Google finds out, it has to kick you off campus due to zoning issues. Any support the company gave is in the long past now.

I wonder, can you get away with it at the Mountain View Walmart? In most of the country Walmart is ok with letting people sleep in their cars/rvs there. But I could see the Mountain View location having different rules

This has actually changed and a fair amount of Walmarts don't allow this anymore. Which is sad because it was a big ideal of the founding of Walmart.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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This whole camping trend, whether on beaches or in parks or on other public property, makes no sense to me. Society is built on the expectation of protected property (reserved for certain uses), enforcement of laws (such as litter laws), and earning of privileges (rather than feeling entitled to live wherever one wants). I don't think it is fair that law-abiding residents who pay taxes and have worked to earn those p…

I have a lot of sympathy for your argument that this problem is making it worse for everyone. I live in SOMA in San Francisco and regularly encounter many of the issues you describe. It makes the quality of living worse for the whole neighborhood, and I do think it is in part caused by very lax rules about what is acceptable in public spaces.

That said, I think you under-estimate how hard it is for someone to move once they are experiencing homelessness. I doubt the majority of people in this situation are doing to to pursue a music career...

This isn't about entitlement.

If your only option is to live in a van, your day to day existence is going to be very stress-full trying to scratch out enough income for your basic needs, and parking tickets, impound, etc could put you into an even worse spot that you can't recover from.

The idea that you should just up and move to a cheaper place to live sounds reasonable on the surface. But imagine all you have is that Van, you don't have enough money for any major repairs, let alone hundreds of dollars in gas to get to some cheaper place. You don't have a network there, and you don't know your way around, so what are your job prospects?

The reality is that when you're living this close to the edge, you're only thinking day to day, because you're always one problem away from ending up in an even worse situation. Packing up and going some place cheaper is far from a viable option.

Finally, most people who are now homeless in an area were previously housed in that area, so they probably know people there. They may also have some kind of public benefit, and have some clue about how to navigate that system. Packing up and leaving, especially to another state, starts them back at zero.

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