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Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by jedberg »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #32

I talked with a guy living in a motorhome in Mountain View California, he works for Google. He could certainly afford an apartment but said his payments on the motorhome are about $600 a month, and an apartment close to Google would be $2500 a month at least, so he feels like its a free $2000 a month to save or spend. He's fortunate that Google also has nice showers, free food, and laundry. Things he might otherwise…

I know for a while there was a guy living in his camper in the Google parking lot (and was an employee). They were even nice enough to allow him to hook up to their power, and he was in range of the wifi. He basically just went inside to shower and eat (and work of course). Not a bad deal. Not sure if they allow that anymore though.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by HenryBemis »

RoadieRoller wrote: post #40
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #30

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I respect their (bakersfield.com) right to piss all over the regulation of 500 million people, and respectfully decide to ignore them and equally blacklist them.

GDOR is the mitigating effor after years of abusing Safe Harbor both by state agents as well as from private companies. Instead of fixing their deal, they prefer to black list EU? Seriously?

Go .... yourself, and I am returning the favor of black listing you 'dear' bakersfield.com. I know that this is not the first site to do this, but to give us this really shitty behaviour is just plain rude and arrogant.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by bredren »

0000011111 wrote: post #65
ChuckMcM wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of, sort of not. I agree that it would be better to create more RV parks but the zoning issues are pretty extreme in that most cities are not big fans of RV parks for more historical reasons than actual ones. Sunnyvale, as a city, has preserved its mobile home parks in an effort to keep housing more affordable. I have an inquiry out to a developer on the cost of building a 'multi-story' RV park. Not trying to re…

We need stacks like in ready player one!

There was one at the burn last year.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by jedberg »

Even back in 1999, rents were already high in the are compared to the rest of country. When I got my first job, rents for a 1br place were about $1,000/mo near Emeryville, where my job was. But it turns out boat payments were only about $525/mo. I did serious research and almost bought a boat, until I found out you aren't allowed to sleep on your boat in the dock without a special permit, and the waitlist for that permit was 10 years.

I supposed I could have floated out in the Bay every night, but I suspect that would have made my costs go up significantly from the extra maintenance and fuel.

But the point is, California seems to be very against alternate forms of housing, and this isn't a new thing.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by joe_the_user »

gph wrote: post #66
CalRobert wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The insanity, here, is that you can't take the land the motorhome is on and build a studio on it. We give cars free places to sleep while people are homeless.

>We give cars free places to sleep while people are homeless. This is basically the equivalent of saying, "People give pets free food and shelter while letting the homeless starve, what's wrong with our society" Sure sounds deep and meaningful, but really it isn't

Uh, "People give pets free food and shelter while letting the homeless starve, what's wrong with our society" is ... meaningfull, "telling" but not insightful.

Misery and poverty in the midst of plenty is symptom of a serious problem, it's signal we should be thinking about the situation. The non-insightful part is that this, by itself, doesn't point the way out of the problem.

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Post by imtringued »

some1else wrote: post #57
binarysolo wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The commenter is just being sarcastic. It's easier to penalize others and self-justify than to care and help others.

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sef/sefSmiley.htm :-)

I propose a technological solution to this problem: HN needs a sarcasm checkbox on each comment.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by benatkin »

gph wrote: post #66
CalRobert wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The insanity, here, is that you can't take the land the motorhome is on and build a studio on it. We give cars free places to sleep while people are homeless.

>We give cars free places to sleep while people are homeless. This is basically the equivalent of saying, "People give pets free food and shelter while letting the homeless starve, what's wrong with our society" Sure sounds deep and meaningful, but really it isn't

It is meaningful, if you choose to think about it. Most people choose to ignore it, because it brings up a lot of thoughts that are inconvenient or uncomfortable. Effective Altruism asks these questions.

It's a pretty easy decision for me whether to support a pet charity (including the wildly inefficient service of personally rescuing a dog or cat) or a humanitarian charity. It's different if you have pets for your own enjoyment.

I really would like straightforward answers. I'm surprised there isn't more things like this: https://causeprioritization.org/Cause_prioritization It gets very complicated and turns into three dimensional chess. Well I guess I answered my own question of why it's a small niche.

This has influenced my thinking a lot: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3p3CYauiX8oLjmwRF/purchase-f...

As a consequentialist I'm a bit noncommital. I would hate to spend 40 hours in a month helping an acquaintance to find a job when I could spend that same 40 hours saving a life by making more money and using it to buy mosquito nets for Against Malaria.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by ChuckMcM »

rhacker wrote: post #56
ChuckMcM wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of, sort of not. I agree that it would be better to create more RV parks but the zoning issues are pretty extreme in that most cities are not big fans of RV parks for more historical reasons than actual ones. Sunnyvale, as a city, has preserved its mobile home parks in an effort to keep housing more affordable. I have an inquiry out to a developer on the cost of building a 'multi-story' RV park. Not trying to re…

These fifth wheels and class As can weigh up to 24000 pounds (even if they where never legally allowed to). A moving object at that weight would make a multi-story RV park an architecture/safety nightmare. I'm talking about east-bay area that still has space. Not sunnyvale. - Just checked out the ready player one images - holy mother of guacamole.

I agree they are heavy, and even more heavy than the bus chassis they are built on top of, but I see that as an engineering problem right? There are bus depot parking structures where unused commercial buses are parked. And my civil engineering friends are fond of saying that with enough steel and concrete you can hold up anything :-). So as a mental exercise in scaling density by going vertical, in my sketchbook using lot "sizes" that were similar to a KOA RV campground as a baseline (about 30' x 60' per space), an 8 story parking complex on a 5 acre lot could hold 250+ spaces.

Ok, and the idea isn't even original, see this: https://99percentinvisible.org/article/mobile-home-skyscrape...

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by logfromblammo »

homerhomer wrote: post #51

I'm against live-in vehicles and this life-style choice. On paper it sounds fine but in reality horrible for many reasons. For the most part, people in this situation are in a challenging state and the least of their worries is the environment around them. Is a mother of 2 living in a small RV who relies on donations going to pay for disposal service? I live in Portland, a city that used to known for being a clean ci…

Citations of arrest statistics do not distinguish whether the homeless are actually more criminally inclined than the homed, or more targeted by police who may also have some political motivation to encourage them to go exist in someone else's jurisdiction.

As with the lessons learned from public housing projects in big cities, it is better to spread the poverty out more thinly across a larger area of the city than to concentrate it all in one place. A homeless car shelter would be a disaster of epic proportions. Double the number of reserved parking spaces, spread more uniformly throughout the city, would still be burdensome, but far less so.

One Randy Griswold in Clark's driveway is more tolerable than row after row of them, for as far as the eye can see.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by MiddleEndian »

mruts wrote: post #48
ChuckMcM wrote: post #32

I talked with a guy living in a motorhome in Mountain View California, he works for Google. He could certainly afford an apartment but said his payments on the motorhome are about $600 a month, and an apartment close to Google would be $2500 a month at least, so he feels like its a free $2000 a month to save or spend. He's fortunate that Google also has nice showers, free food, and laundry. Things he might otherwise…

One of my friends lives in a shipping container in Oakland in a trailer park. She loves it and pays around $250/month for the space. When I was visiting, the people there are so nice. It’s a community in which people help each other, not like the upper class neighborhoods of my youth. In a span of one day, I got some weed, some beer, and an popsicle. A far cry from many upper class neighborhoods in which no one is wi…

As a heavy introvert, I'm happy not to live in such a situation. I say "hi" to my neighbors, chat a bit sometimes, and other than that we live entirely independent lives. And that's what I like. Even living with close friends can be exhausting to me.
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