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Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by airstrike »

madenine wrote: post #114
gamblor956 wrote: post #79

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Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. Panasonic manufactures the battery cells for Tesla and most of the market. Tesla assembles the cells into batteries. It would be accurate to say that Tesla is the largest manufacturer of car batteries, b…

>It would be accurate to say that Tesla is the largest manufacturer of car batteries Pretty sure that title goes to Johnson Controls, who produces about 1/3rd of all car batteries globally.

Interestingly they're selling that business to Brookfield

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/...

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by mdorazio »

dd36 wrote: post #96
mdorazio wrote: post #80

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Nothing you've said actually runs counter to the parent comment, though. Tesla can simultaneously be awful at logistics and still be the largest battery pack manufacturer because no one else really wanted to get into that game until recently. Also, the gross margins on the Model 3 have little to do with supply chain. They cut a lot of corners on build quality, interior fit and finish, etc. to get to that margin and t…

They cut corners but have the highest safety rating ever and the highest customer satisfaction? Is it reasonable to call something a cut corner when the end result is success by nearly every metric? Maybe that corner needn't exist? Scaling issues are unavoidable. So much nitpicking.

When body panels don't line up, doors don't close properly without slamming them, and your infotainment system randomly bugs out (all issues I saw when borrowing a Model 3), your vehicle manufacturer cut corners. Meanwhile my distinct impression of interior quality when sitting in one is that it's basically a mass market car with a leather option, not a luxury price point vehicle.

And no, scaling issues are absolutely not unavoidable. These are all solved problems. Tesla just rushed vehicles out the door with crap production line QA because they were running out of money and market patience.

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by steelframe »

zaroth wrote: post #74

I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. We love nothing more than the little guy winning and the winning guy brought low. Tis the great cycle of life. However, Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. It’s underestimating the difficulty of the…

> I’d like to see anyone else try and come close to what they’ve shipped without a fair share of fuckups along the way.

Um, okay. I mean, there's the Chevy Bolt and the Jaguar I-PACE. They're both pretty good EVs, and they compare against the short-range RWD M3 and the MX 75D, respectively. I don't see any big fuckups with those two cars, at least compared to the Tesla cars.

Speaking personally, I've owned a LEAF, an MX, and an I-PACE. Of the three, the Tesla has been an order of magnitude more problematic than the other two.

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by dd36 »

mdorazio wrote: post #142
dd36 wrote: post #96

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They cut corners but have the highest safety rating ever and the highest customer satisfaction? Is it reasonable to call something a cut corner when the end result is success by nearly every metric? Maybe that corner needn't exist? Scaling issues are unavoidable. So much nitpicking.

When body panels don't line up, doors don't close properly without slamming them, and your infotainment system randomly bugs out (all issues I saw when borrowing a Model 3), your vehicle manufacturer cut corners. Meanwhile my distinct impression of interior quality when sitting in one is that it's basically a mass market car with a leather option, not a luxury price point vehicle. And no, scaling issues are absolutel…

So existing manufacturers ship flawless vehicles?

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Post by cma »

erulabs wrote: post #121
cma wrote: post #84

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I know software is a different area.. but such valuable secrets they started building cars in an open tent where the whole line could be videoed from the street...

This is sort of the exact opposite of patent trolls yeah? A patent troll sits on a patent doing next-to-nothing in order to hold on to their "extremely valuable" rights. Tesla on the other-hand is executing on its patents so hard it doesn't even have time to try to protect them. Perhaps their secret is _just doing stuff_, instead of, you know, _not_. If thats the case, with my experience at San Francisco startups, th…

Trade secrets are different than patents, you can use patents in open air and people can't take them, you have to publish the details to get the patent anyway (in theory). Trade secrets are lost if you exhibit them publicly.

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by techntoke »

dd36 wrote: post #107
frosted-flakes wrote: post #105

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What motivation would they have for doing that? Genuinely curious (I don't care either way).

So the complaint is filed then Tesla can provide an answer and the SEC a reply to that answer. A reply is usually brief and reiterates points made in the original complaint. Here, however, the SEC introduced new arguments in its reply. This usually happens because the defendant's answer was strong. Therefore, the SEC seemingly believed its original complaint was insufficient. As such, the SEC is at a higher probabili…

I swear people think he is in a wrestling match or beauty contest. Musk was in clear violation of his settlement and if this was a poor person on probation, they would be thrown back in jail. The only thing keeping Musk safe is his brand recognition and money to keep fighting in the courts.

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Post by shaklee3 »

ineedasername wrote: post #129
airstrike wrote: post #78

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> I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. We love nothing more than the little guy winning and the winning guy brought low. Huh.. and here I thought Tesla was the little guy in an industry defined by century-old behemoths. The truth is people like to shit on other people. As Taylor Swift famously said[0], "we don't live just in a celebrity takedown culture, we live in a takedown culture. People will find anything ab…

Well, shitting on Tesla for something like the fatal crashes where autopilot played a role does have a certain appeal. But at the same time, when they released their $35k vehicle I was still cheering them on too.

Except... It wasn't $35k anywhere but on paper. You had to buy the upgrades.

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by kirillzubovsky »

Is there any enterprise software that looks for this behavior inside corp systems and alerts the admins/management? If someone just goes ahead and downloads 300k files, that must not be a very normal way of operations, regardless of your role. Even if there are jobs where one would need to download so many files, the systems could be alerted with appropriate flags. What do the big Cos use for this?

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

gamblor956 wrote: post #64
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #24

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Strange legal choices wrt to the SEC? Just wait for the judge decision: the SEC is in a clear overreach here, as all the tweets they cited in their filing are non material. They even misquoted the tweet to say "500K" instead of " about 500K" and anyone can add up the previsouly published numbers to conclude the company should reach a runrate of 500K at the end of the year (Musk tweeted nothing new, it was already dis…

The judge will definitely not rule that the SEC is in "clear overreach" since the 500k tweet is only one of the many tweets they cite in their filing as evidence that Elon has violated his settlement agreement. The 500k tweet was just the final straw. Also, with respect to the "previously published numbers," Tesla provided a range of 360k to 500k. A large range, indicating significant uncertainty. Musk's tweet narrow…

>only one of the many tweets they cite in their filing as evidence that Elon has violated his settlement agreement

You're serious? The other ones are hilariously insignificant (absolutely none of them were material, in any way). They were just about Tesla products. You can't be serious.

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #44
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #24

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Strange legal choices wrt to the SEC? Just wait for the judge decision: the SEC is in a clear overreach here, as all the tweets they cited in their filing are non material. They even misquoted the tweet to say "500K" instead of " about 500K" and anyone can add up the previsouly published numbers to conclude the company should reach a runrate of 500K at the end of the year (Musk tweeted nothing new, it was already dis…

There's potentially a very large difference between the number of cars made in 2019, and the extrapolated production rate at the end of 2019 (e.g. number of cars made in the last week of December * 52). I could be wrong but I don't think that before the tweet there were any previous filings or announcements saying that Tesla would build 500,000 cars this year.

That's a production run rate, not a production total.
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