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At $75K, housing a prisoner in California now costs more than a year at Harvard

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Re: At $75K, housing a prisoner in California now costs more than a year at Harvard

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Not commenting on the specific numbers, but maybe it shouldn’t be surprising that a year of college costs less than food, housing, healthcare, security, and programs combined?

Have you been to an American college campus any time this century? Literally every item you mentioned is provided as part of the (on campus) tuition price. At many schools, you can't even opt out selectively even if you want to! They require you to buy the meal plan!

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To put this in perspective, the US has the highest incarceration rate of any country. I have trouble finding good numbers on recidivism, but anecdotally (based on sparse evidence) it seems like the US approach to incarceration is not working. Another fact supporting this is that the racial distribution in US prisons is uncorrelated with that of the general population. Specifically, 37% of inmates are African American…

Overlay economic data on the race and the picture will change the story from racism to what I like to call "Being Poor is illegal in the US"

Not quite: have a look at these charts [0]. I believe that such a massive disparity in arrest rates between blacks and whites cannot be explained just by economic factors.

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/06/04/the-b...

Re: At $75K, housing a prisoner in California now costs more than a year at Harvard

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Not commenting on the specific numbers, but maybe it shouldn’t be surprising that a year of college costs less than food, housing, healthcare, security, and programs combined?

Universities have all of those things. 75k would easily cover tuition, meal plan, dorms/off campus living, university insurance policies, campus security, extracurricular programs, etc.

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post #10

To put this in perspective, the US has the highest incarceration rate of any country. I have trouble finding good numbers on recidivism, but anecdotally (based on sparse evidence) it seems like the US approach to incarceration is not working. Another fact supporting this is that the racial distribution in US prisons is uncorrelated with that of the general population. Specifically, 37% of inmates are African American…

What's wrong with the numbers of recidivism? A criminal is a criminal, he can't help it; I don't know why people think that keeping them locked up could ever fix that. Probably nothing can, maybe medication.

That's a very bigot reasoning. The most civilized countries in the world (Scandinavia) tend towards the opposite:

- shorter incarceration period: incarceration is useful just for frustrated masses, not for the society

- rehabilitation: if incarceration period is useful to something, that is giving people time and space to restart their lives

Re: At $75K, housing a prisoner in California now costs more than a year at Harvard

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Prop 47 reduced incarceration for small crimes. There are less prisoners than earlier. The cost comes from unfunded pension liabilities for prison guards. Most of whom retire by 50-55. And can draw their last salary as pension until they die. Because. Unions. This is for the state of CA. Don’t know about other states.

Retirement at 55 and drawing a full salary until death is more than fair for the level of stress being a prison guard involves. It's dangerous work. Thank goodness for unions!

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To put this in perspective, the US has the highest incarceration rate of any country. I have trouble finding good numbers on recidivism, but anecdotally (based on sparse evidence) it seems like the US approach to incarceration is not working. Another fact supporting this is that the racial distribution in US prisons is uncorrelated with that of the general population. Specifically, 37% of inmates are African American…

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Re: At $75K, housing a prisoner in California now costs more than a year at Harvard

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To put this in perspective, the US has the highest incarceration rate of any country. I have trouble finding good numbers on recidivism, but anecdotally (based on sparse evidence) it seems like the US approach to incarceration is not working. Another fact supporting this is that the racial distribution in US prisons is uncorrelated with that of the general population. Specifically, 37% of inmates are African American…

I agree with most of your points, but I'm not sure about the validity of the following: > the racial distribution in US prisons is uncorrelated with that of the general population. Specifically, 37% of inmates are African American, suggesting they may be incarcerated for lesser cause than those of other backgrounds This statistic could suggest lots of things, I'm not sure why being incarcerated for lesser cause would…

The statistic by itself might not signal it, but this is definitely part of what's going on, and I don't think anyone seriously questions this.

A good place to start is the Fair Sentencing Act which tried to address the problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Sentencing_Act (but, this just address the mandatory minimum triggers, not the fact that African Americans are disproportionately jailed)

Re: At $75K, housing a prisoner in California now costs more than a year at Harvard

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There's a lot of variability per-state. Also it's not as exuberant on a per capita basis compared to other wealthy countries that also choose not to treat prisoners like animals: https://steemit.com/prison/@gaby-de-wilde/what-prisons-costs...

The California problems really are: 1. Volume - too many people doing time for non-violent crimes 2. Healthcare costs for prisoners and employees (also seems like a root cause of every major problem in the US) 3. General inefficiency / Unions etc.

Honestly I think the rational approach for the US would be to forget every single issue and focus entirely the healthcare costs. Nuke the problem with either complete government control of the prices in the system or liberalizing supply side thru abolishing of licensing requirements / AMA / FDA / CLIA / etc.

Re: At $75K, housing a prisoner in California now costs more than a year at Harvard

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post #23

Not commenting on the specific numbers, but maybe it shouldn’t be surprising that a year of college costs less than food, housing, healthcare, security, and programs combined?

Universities have all of those things. 75k would easily cover tuition, meal plan, dorms/off campus living, university insurance policies, campus security, extracurricular programs, etc.

I don’t think campus security is responsible for keeping students on campus and organizing manhunts if they escape.

Comparing college with prison is patently ridiculeous. Why would someone expect that keeping someone incarcerated be cheap?

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